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Heh, funny, I remember thinking about and discussing these same issues back when I first started playing alleg 3 years ago. I was wrong back then. Some people here are asshats, no doubt, and love to flaunt their useless knowledge about the game. But the best people are quiet and don't say much, and in general most of the community is very friendly and very helpful. The best way to deal with it is to ignore anybody who offends you, stay away from the forums (unless you like drama), join cadet, and make some friends with the good people.

takingarms1 wrote:QUOTE (takingarms1 @ Oct 3 2007, 12:59 AM) Heh, funny, I remember thinking about and discussing these same issues back when I first started playing alleg 3 years ago. I was wrong back then. Some people here are asshats, no doubt, and love to flaunt their useless knowledge about the game. But the best people are quiet and don't say much, and in general most of the community is very friendly and very helpful. The best way to deal with it is to ignore anybody who offends you, stay away from the forums (unless you like drama), join cadet, and make some friends with the good people.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining actually. I have thick skin, and I absolutely love Allegiance. I want her to thrive and grow, and that's why I think people should see the newbs as a good thing. It's like babies crying at a weddding. Sure it's a bit annoying, but it's a sign that the family is doing well. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Anyway, being snide or rude never made anybody cool or great. Allegiance is full of good, neat, clever people, with genuinely amusing banter. I was just trying to take the perspective of somebody bewildered by the new, complex game, who is being yelled at in the four line chat he/she doesn't really have time to follow anyway. People should try to be the cool big brother/sister/uncle, and not the abusive parent when faced with "youngsters".

the last time i flew with FF on, bacon kept podding me and we got into endless ff fights and we totally didnt help the team.

((of course we were IC supyard with attack carriers camping all the enemy bases... but still))

Listen to takingarms. He is right.

-T

PS. So is Narg. join cadet, learn the game, be happy. The asshat to good guy ratio is staggeringly low in allegiance, and 85% of the asshats are players whose greatest accomplishment was finding the game 3 weeks before you did. Likewise, most of the newbie boots (on the vet server) are because the player was intentionally making the commander's life difficult, after being asked very nicely to stop.

ImmortalZ wrote:QUOTE (ImmortalZ @ Oct 2 2007, 12:32 PM) I skipped through most of Zonarg's post. tl;dr.

Seriously, why can't people make their points in a sentence or two, it's like they have to pad it out to make themselves seem more intelligent.

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Oct 2 2007, 02:52 PM) I'm not familiar with that acronym. What's GT and why did it make FF a bad idea?

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BTW I think the enviroment is needlessly elitistic and unfriendly towards newcomers. Believe it or not, but Allegiance needs fresh blood. Ideas about how the game would be less overwhelming to people just coming into it should be looked at carefully instead of getting shot down in the spirit of "everything is fine, and the last thing we need is more noobs".

allegiance has the capasity to run games with 200 players per server, and what we actually have is about 70, one one server (and that's a pretty big game).

And newbies flying around learning the game gives the vets a chanse to play the role of a heroic elite pilot. It's good that there is variance in skill level of friends and enemies.

People shouting FFS! in frustration all the time should worry about their blood pressure, and parhaps try to enjoy the game a little more.

For a team game, Allegiance certainly seems to bring out a rather edgy side in many people.

Really you should know what GT is and how FF effects them before purposing all games should be FF on. 200 player games aren't as fun as 20-25 per side games. That tends to be the sweet spot.

Think of Allegiance as a 4*100m relay race. You are waiting at the end, 1st and 2nd did their jobs well, but third is running around in circles, trips over a rock and loses the baton. You are going to have a few choice words for them.

IB_ wrote:QUOTE (IB_ @ Oct 2 2007, 06:06 PM) Seriously, why can't people make their points in a sentence or two, it's like they have to pad it out to make themselves seem more intelligent.
Really you should know what GT is and how FF effects them before purposing all games should be FF on. 200 player games aren't as fun as 20-25 per side games. That tends to be the sweet spot.

Think of Allegiance as a 4*100m relay race. You are waiting at the end, 1st and 2nd did their jobs well, but third is running around in circles, trips over a rock and loses the baton. You are going to have a few choice words for them.

Did you come to the conclusion that his statement was a display of intelligence when you came across a couple of words in the first sentence that you didnt know the meaning of or when you were thinking of a response but couldnt muster enough thought to compile into a decent post?

I think he had the liberty to suggest supporting FF more regardless of what GT is just as much as i had the right to make a few suggestions that wouldnt be riden on like i was some sort of extreme activist looking for change.

I know one thing i definately see more intellect coming from adepts first sentence then i do from your lack of explaination about what GT is infact i think it makes you look closer to fitting your own accusation of trying to seem more intelligent then he does.

I appreciate those passive enough to have logical game related debate/conversation and i hate to seem like im allways angry but as long as people respond like this to mere suggestions i cant help but express myself.

+Edit: He was talking about you Zam. Your posts are rambling, poorly constructed, difficult to UNDERSTAND, waste of space which most people are not bothering to read.

end edit.

ff is great. It makes it easier to kill miners because most $#@!tard defenders can't even tell when their target is hiding behind the miner. /mrgreen.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="mrgreen.gif" />


QUOTE #1 a newbie channel in game chat for the abundance of in game questions we are bound to have (muteable)[/quote]
Alright, your wish is granted. I hereby declare "Delta" wing as the newbie only chat channel.

Now go have fun trying to teach newbs to use it.

QUOTE #2 disabling the assignment of commands from anyone but comm by default unless changed in game to be commandable to new players.[/quote]

So, the commander is the only one that can give orders to newbs? Guess what, newbs would then get NO orders cause the commander has better things to do that give out orders that have a 99% chance of being ignored / miscarried out. So the newbs get to spend MORE time flying in circles now that 75% of the team can't tell them where to go.

QUOTE #4 new players should get paid more with a locked donate so the comm is compensated for the lack of rank and is more likely to appreciate noobs[/quote]
No. Big fat code change for one thing.

QUOTE #5 ships that can take down structures must be enabled either by team or by person for newbie players[/quote]
and this is where you prove that you should shut up.
The only way newbie players can get such ships is by requesting money from the commander, so there is already a control in place.

juckto wrote:QUOTE (juckto @ Oct 3 2007, 02:34 AM) <snip>
and this is where you prove that you should shut up.
The only way newbie players can get such ships is by requesting money from the commander, so there is already a control in place.

Sheesh... calm down a little. You write like a discussion is a game where one tries to score points. You should try to see what he's getting at instead of treating this like just another dogfight.

Parhaps those particular suggestions weren't that perfect, but they don't warrant such hostility and territoriality either.

juckto your an idiot and i didnt need to read but a sentence to know i should ignore the rest.

You must understand that a lot of anti-newbie behaviour comes from newbies that do not listen. This has jaded a lot of the vets (myself included)...

that being said ill still give people a chance