Creationism and science?

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:35 pm

is that accurate? I always thought Einstien was a believer in God

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:04 am

The numbers we use today are Arabic numbers. They did much work in mathematics that makes other science possible.

Otherwise we would be stuck using Roman Numerals.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:47 am

Ryujin wrote:QUOTE (Ryujin @ Oct 4 2012, 09:35 AM) is that accurate? I always thought Einstien was a believer in God

It's from his God letter. Which is going up for auction soon...fetch 3 million maybe...

fuzzylunkin1 · Post by **fuzzylunkin1** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:05 am

Ryujin wrote:QUOTE (Ryujin @ Oct 3 2012, 06:35 PM) is that accurate? I always thought Einstien was a believer in God

If anything, he seems to have been a Pantheist.

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Oct 3 2012, 07:04 PM) The numbers we use today are Arabic numbers. They did much work in mathematics that makes other science possible.

Otherwise we would be stuck using Roman Numerals.

No one said they didn't help to make other science possible. But 1) that's not religion and 2) limiting your teachings to just certain accomplishments is just plain stupid. The problem is limiting education, even when good education is possible.

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:22 am

Einstein was not a theist. Here are some quotes that explain it better than i could.

QUOTE I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.[/quote]

QUOTE A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.[/quote]

QUOTE I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.[/quote]

Read up on Spinoza so you dont get confused with "Spinoza's God" Spinoza was a huge influence in Nietzsche's early work, and many of his books were banned by the catholic church for hundreds of years.

Post by **BackTrak** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:41 am

Albert Einstein wrote:QUOTE (Albert Einstein @ A little bit more than quite some time ago)God doesn't play dice

Niels Bohr wrote:QUOTE (Niels Bohr @ Quite some time ago)Stop telling God what to do with his dice.

Well, maybe they said it, maybe they didn't... but that fits the general theme, don't it??

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:12 am

There have been several rumors, folk tales, and downright propaganda passed around by people who claim that Einstein was really a christian (or close enough), much like happened to Darwin. He did say that quote above, but a casual google search turns up more than enough evidence from Einstein's personal writings that he was not a religious man, in that sense.

Wikipedia points to Spinoza's God as the closest thing, which is probably the 90% answer.

He didnt much like atheists either, to be fair.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:24 pm

fuzzylunkin1 wrote:QUOTE (fuzzylunkin1 @ Oct 4 2012, 06:05 AM) No one said they didn't help to make other science possible. But 1) that's not religion and 2) limiting your teachings to just certain accomplishments is just plain stupid. The problem is limiting education, even when good education is possible.

Arab and other muslim states are suffering from (social) conservatism more than religion. They are clinging to old ideas, old social conventions and old taboos. They force gay people to stay in hiding for fear of their lives, and exclude women from business, politics and the scientific arena.

Honestly, I think the reason Finland and the scandinavian countries are doing as well as we are is primarily because we've done the most to fully enfranchise women. Anything less is wasting a huge amount of potential. Excluding half of your population from full participation in society is the worst kind of madness and folly.

fuzzylunkin1 · Post by **fuzzylunkin1** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:33 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Oct 4 2012, 11:24 AM) Arab and other muslim states are suffering from (social) conservatism more than religion.

The way I see it the religion is the cause of the (social) conservatism.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:55 pm

fuzzylunkin1 wrote:QUOTE (fuzzylunkin1 @ Oct 5 2012, 12:33 AM) The way I see it the religion is the cause of the (social) conservatism.

No it's not. Christianity is exactly the same, if not worse in what the bible says about women, for instance.