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Dome wrote:QUOTE (Dome @ Jan 25 2017, 06:22 PM) No I actually pity you. There is evidence of rapid climate change all over the world. If nothing is done there will be major negative consequences, and there already are. I actually got my undergraduate degree in environmental science.

Globey you're a good troll.

Holy @#(! you're a $#@!ing baby, dude. Is this what you were talking about in the other thread?

That, "hes so easily proven wrong and bluh bluh bluh he's WRONG!!! I CAN PROVE IT" and this is what you prior to it? Blatant appeal to authority and consensus?

I remember watching Al Gore's film when I was, I donno, 14 or something, and accepting all of it. Before that, I watched coverage on the hole in the ozone layer on the news as a little kid, and I'd watch Bill Nye.

By now, Florida and California were meant to be underwater. Before that, the hole in the ozone layer was supposed to kill us. All the polar bears were supposed to be dead, the ice caps melted. The trade winds were supposed to carry much cooler air from the colder seas due to the melted ice, and cause hurricanes that would tear everything away.

Believe me, I understand the basic concepts of climate change. I consider "climate change" and "man-made climate change" to be two different concepts, however. Again, believe me, I would have loved for Al Gore to be right. No more California. No more Florida! I hate both of those states. Besides my animosity, it would be REALLY interesting to see. I wonder how that would affect the economy? I wonder what sort of measures would be put in place to prevent the waters from rushing in further inland?

TBH, I really don't care if it's accurate one way or the other, because I'm so far inland that I wouldn't have to worry about it in my life time at the current pace of things, and I've never seen nor heard of a hurricane plow it's way this far inland, anywhere. You said, "rapid," and yet it seems to be quite slow and monstrously dull.

Dome wrote:QUOTE (Dome @ Jan 31 2017, 03:53 AM) Maybe it's my own bubble, (surely the case) but it's true I see the same things. There are a few Trump supporters that are clinging to any semblance of reason and justification while the vast majority are quick to pick up on seemingly obvious corruption, racism, sexism, etc.

I think this marks the greatest divide of this generation surely. Either you are on the side of equal rights, socioeconomic equality, loving kindness, love for the planet, love for the poor, of everyone on this planet.... OR you look out for yourself and yours only. That seems to be it for this generation. I'm glad to be fighting for all.

You aren't entitled to ANY OF THOSE THINGS, except equal protection under the law, as an American citizen. American citizens get the rights, privileges, and responsibilities bestowed upon them by the constitution. Not other people. The constitution does not grant you the right to "not be poor," or to "loving kindness," nor does it mandate you to "love the planet" or "everyone on the planet."

The line is very, specific. The right to Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. You get to ~FOLLOW YA DREAAAMZZZ~

You're not entitled to them.



It's not really that important in the grand scheme of things, but I really wonder what your views are on "racism" and "sexism" and "corruption." Like, how do you define these concepts and how do you apply them to situations, people, and organizations? Be specific.

Senor NoirSol wrote:QUOTE (Senor NoirSol @ Jan 28 2017, 04:14 PM) Trumps only mandate is to serve himself and that mass of cronies.
A presidency built on fear, lies and hatred is Nothing to be respected, and should be fought in any legal non violent way possible

It legit upsets me that people actually think like this about the President. I thought Obama was a hack, his head in the clouds, and probably picking sides over race, but I believe he has his heart in the right place. Well, more like I hope he does. The basic message of his platform was why I voted for him twice. I never voted for him because "it would be historic" or "it's time to move forward" or whatever the $#@! idiots say to justify voting based on skin color or genitals. He said things that I thought sounded good. I voted for him twice. Got older, changed my mind after a while. So I voted Trump. And unless the guy orders the military to start firing on American citizens, I'm probably going to vote for him again.

His presidential campaign wasn't built on fear, or lies, or hatred. The two most prominent aspects of his campaign were "Make America Great Again," and "America First." I voted for "Change," and "Hope," twice. The hope didn't amount to much after some years, didn't get a lot of change that I liked, besides more racial tension, the rise of the far left, more taxes, more national debt, blah blah blah.

Dome wrote:QUOTE (Dome @ Jan 31 2017, 03:53 AM) Maybe it's my own bubble, (surely the case) but it's true I see the same things. There are a few Trump supporters that are clinging to any semblance of reason and justification while the vast majority are quick to pick up on seemingly obvious corruption, racism, sexism, etc.

I think this marks the greatest divide of this generation surely. Either you are on the side of equal rights, socioeconomic equality, loving kindness, love for the planet, love for the poor, of everyone on this planet.... OR you look out for yourself and yours only. That seems to be it for this generation. I'm glad to be fighting for all.

Social media, like ads, are targeted based on interests. This is just business @#(!. If you like goofball leftist junk, that's what you're going to get. If you watch goofballs like Alex Jones, youtube is going to tell you to watch other guys who hate government. They profit off of your clicks and how much you watch - it makes no sense from a business perspective for a guy who subscribes to a bunch of "alt" groups to get recommendations for CNN or FOX, because they're not interested.

Just as if all you do is watch videos of animals doing silly things on youtube, your recommendations and relateds aren't going to be full of Karl Marx or Andrew Jackson.


And no, I don't think there is a "great divide" in this generation, whichever generation you're talking about. America is America, and this goofball "hurrrr HWNDU we'z all one but we're bein torn apart n stuff" isn't anything. It's sensationalist crap from people who's paycheck directly correlates to how many people look at their crap and/or buy their crap. America has always been a representative democracy, a republic, and voters have always disagreed on an assload of issues, yet despite what our Founding Father's told us not to do, we got into a 2 party system so people can look at one of two guys who vaguely aligns with their political views and then just pull a lever. How voters as individuals hold their opinions is much more complex than "X amount voted for A, Y amount voted for B." Hell, for as long as I've been alive and I'm certain for decades past, ENORMOUS amounts of the American citizenry don't even vote in national elections. I wouldn't be surprised if local politics have an even lower voter turnout. I think for our last 3 presidents, voter turn out was about ~45%, and there's always ~5% voting for some meme like a guy who only talks about pot and doesn't know what Syria is, or a $#@!ing gorilla.

This "greatest divide" you're seeing is a result of social media encouraging people - just by how it operates - to blurt out something in one or two sentences. Of course you're going to see a bunch of people saying "Hillary/Trump is X" because that's all they have the space for, that's all anyone has the attention for. You have to actually $#@!ing mentally fight people to get them to properly express and explain their views. Like what I'm doing to you idiots as you all pat yourselves on the back about being SUPER RIGHT AND FACTUAL AND SMART ABOUT LITERALLY EVERYTHING.

This goes far back beyond social media, though. People in general care more about the immediate and the near future, figuratively and literally. It's hard to get people to stop being apathetic about who lives in a house when most of what they're probably going to see of them is pictures, out of context quotes, and campaign ads. Journalism AFAIK has operated under the accurate assumption that almost all of their readership is lost past the first paragraph of the first page article. That's why the "who, what, where, when, why" is supposed to all be crammed into the short, top paragraph (which obviously leaves out context), and why a headline has to be ATTENTION GRABBING.

This all loops back around to how social media works. If the front page is about Bruce Jenner being called woman of the year, people who have no interest in identity politics, don't know who Jenner is, or whatever, aren't even going to read it. So, why would a profit based organization bother showing such things to someone who isn't interested?


So yeah you're in a bubble, go talk to people who are $#@!ing insane and crazy, like me, or globey. Talk to people who think differently than you. Actually engage them, don't be some $!%^&@ who's like EUUURGHHH BUT HE'S AN X-IST, HE PROMOTES Y-ISM. That doesn't do anything except shut down discussion.

Zwit....I think that is the most intelligent post I've ever seen from you.

raumvogel wrote:QUOTE (raumvogel @ Feb 21 2017, 06:24 PM) Zwit....I think that is the most intelligent post I've ever seen from you.

+1

raumvogel wrote:QUOTE (raumvogel @ Feb 21 2017, 03:24 PM) Zwit....I think that is the most intelligent post I've ever seen from you.

And yet still almost entirely comprised of fallacies stuck together by spit and bailing wire.

Don't be fooled: "you live in a bubble" is cute but often doesn't reflect reality, and is very suspicious coming from people who only watch/read fox/breitbart.

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Feb 22 2017, 09:13 AM) And yet still almost entirely comprised of fallacies stuck together by spit and bailing wire.

Can you give some examples of what you mean by that statement?

All I know is I've been snowboarding for 20 years and the snow certainly melts faster and earlier pretty much every year- especially noticeable the past 5 or so

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Part of the problem i think derives from the weird assumption that climate change = waterworld or some other worst case sci fi scenario. So if you are expecting 50° C on january in Toronto Paps, you'll be dissapointed. The thing is that just small scale changes, like a little longer dry season, a bit of rain in september instead of july or just a decimal of a degree warmer water can become a major problem for agriculture and fishing, after all our methods of getting food haven't changed that much, we are still at the mercy of the seasons.
Say, here we usually had red tide once every 2 years and in a rather small area of the country, now for the last 10 years it has afected a bit more of the coast, last year we had red tide in a way larger area and lasting for around 2-3 months. this $#@!ed the salmon industry of the country (fish dying because of the thing), and the extraction of seafood, which of course means a lot of fishermen and divers going without money and work, you know, the hard working kind of people that you like.