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Hard disagree all you like.

I don't get to vote in your elections, I just get to watch the fallout and the end result.
Right now I don't see any candidate that I think can beat Trump (my personal opinion).
It's not like I even like the dude and agree with pretty much all the bad things written about the man.
If your party cannot come up with a more charismatic candidate with experience and a great platform, with all his faults, Trump will win again.
Maybe the left will surprise me and if so good for them.

well, so far the republican party's platform is a fantasy. Hard to beat make believe. Shame people like minigun still buy it

Regardless, I still don't see a viable candidate that I think will beat Trump.
Perhaps The left should offer up Metz as a candidate?

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Aug 29 2019, 07:19 AM) Hard disagree all you like.

I don't get to vote in your elections, I just get to watch the fallout and the end result.
Right now I don't see any candidate that I think can beat Trump (my personal opinion).
It's not like I even like the dude and agree with pretty much all the bad things written about the man.
If your party cannot come up with a more charismatic candidate with experience and a great platform, with all his faults, Trump will win again.
Maybe the left will surprise me and if so good for them.

This isn't the part I disagree with.

Presidential elections in the modern age are personality contests. Pure and simple. Voters do not care about experience and qualifications. They don't ever really care about policy. They care about what they say they are going to do, but we all know that presidents can't singlehandedly change the things they say they are going to change. Nor do we even want them too. Yet we still indulge them in the fantasy that their proposals have even the remotest chance of getting through Congress in some recognizable form at some point.

So yeah, they vote for the guy with the biggest personality. And ain't nobody got more personality than Trump. I'll give him that.

Where I get off the train is the idea that this is that the Democrats are to blame for this. That it's their problem to fix. That all they gotta do is just run more charismatic candidates. That they gotta just play the game better.

And I say, $#@! that @#(!. Someone has to tell the American people that this @#(! matters. It's not just a personality contest. Everyone loves to gripe how politicians are universally terrible. Well, the fault is not in the stars. The fault is in us. We are what's wrong with our democracy. The politicians we elect are merely manifestations of our own unexamined preferences, biases and beliefs.

The problem with the media is not that it has a liberal bias or a conservative bias, but it has a bias towards not taking government seriously. It's all just a game. Nothing really matters except who's winning and who's losing. The Sunday shows are lousy with pundits and not experts, because conflict is fun and CSPAN is boring.

The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. -- Yeats

I can certainly agree with that.
Maybe the left should back someone like Jerry Springer as a presidential candidate.

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Aug 30 2019, 10:17 AM) I can certainly agree with that.
Maybe the left should back someone like Jerry Springer as a presidential candidate.

What about Dr. Phil as president?

Not a bad choice.
Maybe he can fix everything that is wrong with Murica.

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Aug 26 2019, 09:57 PM) I'm sure you thought the Obama years were an apocalyptic nightmare too.

He does, which is why I routinely point out that he is a racist, and that his racism is why he voted for trump.

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Aug 28 2019, 07:24 PM) I'm not talking about myself here. I'm saying, whether you agree with them or not, Obama and Clinton were both very intelligent people who valued expertise. If you want to count me among them then I won't disagree.

Eh you're ok...

QUOTE Do you think I'm some kid? Dude, I'm in my 40s. I didn't come from money you know. I put myself through college. I work, I own my home and I pay a @#(!ton of taxes. I've been married for 15 years, my son's almost a teenager. Lack life experience? You're talking out of your ass.[/quote]
$#@!in' millenial...

Dems say the "I" word...