Donald Trump

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:03 am

there's plenty of people like that on both sides of the spectrum, what's your point? If you're just bitching without anything useful to add, there's a forum called rants you should check out

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:33 am

If you read my post you can see that I asked a question. You can go play with Elzam in rants.

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:09 am

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Dec 5 2018, 03:00 PM) are these claims tied to anything tangible. I haven't really been following current events.

I'm not aware of any evidence behind them. Blaming the caravan on Trump seems like a stretch since the spike in immigration from Central America predates him by quite a bit. The other two sound are more plausible, but I wouldn't (and don't) believe them just because they happen to fit my priors.

QUOTE because I sometimes struggle to take seriously my uncle - 4.0 at Devry whose career involved high security clearance pushing a crew building satellites for the military and such - who honestly believes that everything the Clintons have ever done is great, no government conspiracies exist or have ever existed, everything the Democrats do is perfect, everything any republican has done is terrible, and it's actually a republican conspiracy that has caused people to be distrustful of the mainstream media, because mainstream media never lies. unless it's about the clintons. and neither does the government lie. or any democrat. ever. oh my god.[/quote]

I don't see what's inherently impressive about having a security clearance or a high GPA from Devry (not a very selective institution. not a very accredited one either. basically a diploma mill).

But it kinda sounds like you're strawmanning some of his beliefs. Eg, just because someone believes that Clinton scandals are almost entirely hot air, isn't the same thing as saying she's Jesus in a pantsuit; or to say that Republicans are far worse than Democrats on the whole, isn't the same thing as saying that Democrats can do no wrong.

And the mainstream media -- which includes Fox, by the way, you can't be #1 cable news channel and not be 'mainstream' -- rarely lies. Reporting of the facts is generally accurate. When it's not, it's not for lack of trying, it's because the truth is sometimes hard to get to. But no news organization blatently prints things they know not to be true.

In any case, lying is probably the most transparent and least effective way to be dishonest. It's far more effective to tell misleading truths. You don't need to distort the facts, you only need to control which facts are considered "newsworthy" in order to control the narrative.

Or do what Trump does. Can't lie if you don't know what the truth is in the first place.

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:15 am

a 4.0 at DeVry.

I generally don't recommend bragging about the grades given to you by an institution that advertises at 3am on basic cable.

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:27 am

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Dec 5 2018, 08:33 PM) If you read my post you can see that I asked a question. You can go play with Elzam in rants.

I read your whole (though edited) post, and failed to come across an actual question...

I guess there was this (with a period):

"are these claims tied to anything tangible."

supposedly refferring to this?:
"both (e. coli in romaine, and increased spam calls) of which he said were products of republican deregulation of the farming/telecommunications industry. "

I would argue from a non-partisan viewpoint that more regulation would probably be able to decrease both.
I have not looked up what brand of political tribalism certain regulations/deregulation were passed under.

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:29 am

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Dec 6 2018, 12:09 AM) Or do what Trump does. Can't lie if you don't know what the truth is in the first place.

I would not be entirely surprised to see this used as a defense at some point.

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:28 am

There was a point where someone was asked if he could sue Glenn Beck for defamation and a lawyer frankly said "it would be a challenge to demonstrate that Glenn Beck is not sincerely under the impression that he is telling the truth."

sambasti · Post by **sambasti** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:39 am

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Dec 5 2018, 07:00 PM) Stayed with my (not "liberal" or "progressive") Clinton-democrat uncle for a couple days while on vacation, At the same time that romaine was recalled for E. coli contamination nationwide, and we were complaining about all the spam calls/spoofed calls we've been getting lately - both of which he said were products of republican deregulation of the farming/telecommunications industry. other things of discussion were the central american caravan and how this was also caused by trump eliminating their jobs.

are these claims tied to anything tangible. I haven't really been following current events.

The caravan thing sounds kinda horse@#(!. I mean you can make an argument that over a long term US policy towards countries in Latin/South America have contributed towards destabilization and the kind of chronic suffering that leads people to form a human caravan and ask for refugee status in the first place, but that way predates trump.

The ecoli thing is more of a maybe. It's hard to say whether any specific regulation would have stopped a specific outbreak, buuuuuut Trump admin actions definitely haven't helped.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:52 pm

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Dec 5 2018, 04:33 PM) If you read my post you can see that I asked a question. You can go play with Elzam in rants.

show me the question mark in your post. Looks like this -> ?

Otherwise, what cash said

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:54 pm

In other news, voter fraud finally found

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ter-fraud/