We've got a Rambo

[Mastametz]

QUOTE (Bacon @ Feb 14 2013, 02:34 PM) Sheff, you need to go get some help bud. If you truly don't believe that it's wrong for innocent people and cops to die at the hand of a murderer

I'm not Sheff

What is "wrong"? Wrong is totally subjective. It's "wrong" to you because you view death the way you do. It's typical of American culture.
How do you know anyone was innocent? Maybe it was all "justifiable homicide"? That is a determination that the police make, after all, Dorner having been one.
Do you consider police/military/politicians "murderers"?

[djrbk]

"basketball coach Monica Quan, 28 – daughter of a retired LAPD captain – and her fiance, security officer Keith Lawrence, 27."



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Ah ok "After he holed up in the cabin, there was a second gunbattle with San Bernardino County deputies, two of whom were shot."

So I take it as one of them died.

SERVES ME RIGHT FOR WATCHING A VIDEO INSTEAD OF READING TO UPDATE INFORMATION SINCE THE INITIAL EVENT.


Soooooo, since when is live incineration without a trail common legal practice in the US?

[tsubaki_sanjuro]

QUOTE (Broodwich @ Feb 14 2013, 09:06 PM) How much harm does the LAPD do on a normal basis that goes unmentioned by mainstream media? The longer something like this goes on for, the more likely it is that some meaningful change will be done for the betterment of everyone. The suspect wasnt out shooting random people, the cops were. The suspect killed some people who had nothing to do with him getting fired for no reason, which is terrible, but not just shooting random people. Notice how much protection the cops gave each other when issued a death threat. I wonder how many poor members of the black or latino population would get the same treatment?

What a massive load of self-justifying bollocks. Dorner murdered four people, none of whom had offended him, and none of whom were part of the LAPD that he declared war on. Yet we are expected by you to think that the LAPD will be "improved" because one of its former officers killed four people not connected with it. Do you think Sandy Hook has been improved by those kids getting wasted?

QUOTE (Broodwich @ Feb 14 2013, 09:06 PM) "How can you blame them, given the situation?" American soldiers get crucified for (well got, i suppose everyone is used to it now) accidentally killing civilians in a hostile country where half the people want to murder them. Yet here one guy says hes going to kill cops and these guys go around shooting up old ladies at the drop of a hat. At least soldiers usually operate under "dont fire unless fired upon", but cops dont? I hope you are a bit more restrained if you ever have to draw your gun on another human being, and not spray umpteen shots into a vehicle that sorta resembles a suspect's in a crowded neighborhood.

The police's job is to "serve and protect" civilians and the innocent first, themselves last. That is what I hold them to

Please do not misquote the agri. That quote was in response to criticism that the cops hadnt hit him in the gunfight at the end of this incident, where Dorner was firing back at them, was driving a stolen car and had been identified by two witnesses. If you dont think cops firing back in those circumstances is justified, then please go away.

[NightRychune]

eh

live incineration is just far more vividly brutal than "guy was shot and killed when police stormed his cabin"

same outcome

[Mastametz]

Now we get to argue about the facts of the case because there's a dozen of different accounts of the same tale that have been published and there's no telling which, if any, are accurate, at all.


His body was found, and also not found, in the cabin.
His ID was found in the cabin, but it was also found at the border to Mexico.
He killed cops, but he also didn't kill cops.

He's clearly Black Jesus.

[tsubaki_sanjuro]

QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Feb 14 2013, 10:47 PM) I'm not Sheff

What is "wrong"? Wrong is totally subjective. It's "wrong" to you because you view death the way you do. It's typical of American culture.
How do you know anyone was innocent? Maybe it was all "justifiable homicide"? That is a determination that the police make, after all, Dorner having been one.
Do you consider police/military/politicians "murderers"?

yes, its likely that a twenty eight year old college basketball coach and her fiance can justifiably be killed by someone who has a grudge against her father

you absolute cretin

[Mastametz]

If I were a 28 year old basketball coach (or the fiance) would I automatically be forgiven of my sins/crimes?

[tsubaki_sanjuro]

QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Feb 14 2013, 10:58 PM) If I were a 28 year old basketball coach (or the fiance) would I automatically be forgiven of my sins/crimes?

bacon was right, you need help.

[Mastametz]

You all need to learn the difference between subjective and objective and realize how every single thing you accept as "the way it is" is merely your own interpretation of reality.
Anything can be rationalized by anyone.
Dorner's decisions are as legitimate as anyone else's.

[vogue]

ya'll getting out reasoned by metz hard on this one, don't let your culture cloud your judgement. what's right and wrong to you does not apply to the world for the better or the worse.

I watched a bull get tortured in spain not too long ago in a stadium full of people cheering as they stuck more and more swords into it when it was already down slowly to ensure it felt maximum pain. When I called it barbaric they said I was ignorant. whatever

There's an interesting story of Greeks going to King Darius's court where he asked the Greeks if they'd ever eat their parents after they died. They all exclaimed of course not, then King Darius took the Greeks to a local tribe where he asked the tribesmen if they'd ever bury their parents after they died and the exclaimed of course not, because it was their culture to eat their parents after death. whatever

You can argue that the majority should dictate what society's morals are, but lets be honest the majority hasn't always been right has it?

edit: im not advocating that what dorner is doing is right, I personally think its pretty $#@!ing stupid of him to ruin his own message by killing people who aren't LAPD cops