Elementary school shooting

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:00 am

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Dec 14 2012, 09:30 PM) I don't need sources/technology/medical crap to prove what can be determined just be observation of human behavior relative to events/environment/economy

No evidence necessary? Must be nice to be you.

Hellsyng · Post by **Hellsyng** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:30 am

germloucks wrote:QUOTE (germloucks @ Dec 15 2012, 12:00 AM) No evidence necessary? Must be nice to be you.

You should listen to him on mumble, it's great!

peet · Post by **peet** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:33 am

I feel sorry for the kids. It's safe to bet they won't sleep very well tonight.

SgtMajor · Post by **SgtMajor** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:00 am

Man gotta tell you, my roomie is a cop and has a young daughter in elementary school, @#(!s cray cray

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:09 am

linkee

worst number of deaths in a mass killing in a US school shooting was here in Michigan back in 1927... fwiw

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:19 am

It's very sad and my heart goes out to all the victims families and friends.

I'm still more afraid of cars than being in schools or movie theatres

i found these charts interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cause...e#United_States

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:50 am

germloucks wrote:QUOTE (germloucks @ Dec 14 2012, 10:00 PM) No evidence necessary? Must be nice to be you.

Where's the evidence that you didn't choose to be gay
no evidence necessary?
must be nice to be you

anyone with a reasonably high IQ can easily determine the causes of human acts and behavior
humans are simple creatures

acts of violence/crime are and always have been directly associated with the economy/poverty

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:37 am

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Dec 15 2012, 01:50 AM) Where's the evidence that you didn't choose to be gay
no evidence necessary?
must be nice to be you

anyone with a reasonably high IQ can easily determine the causes of human acts and behavior
humans are simple creatures

acts of violence/crime are and always have been directly associated with the economy/poverty

I'm not gonna bite, man. Go take that crap somewhere else.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:40 am

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Dec 15 2012, 04:09 AM) in before adept gun control

As it happens, I actually have something that may be relevant.

People are very quick to say things like "it's not the guns, crazy people will find a way. They'll use a knife or a club or something." And that is absolutely true for the latter part... lack of guns doesn't mean crazy people don't get crazy... but do check out that happened in China at the same time.

Mass School Stabbing in China.

Nasty as it is, observe that instead of nearly 30 people dead, what we have is a score of people wounded. The reason firearms revolutionised warfare is that they are so very efficient in killing. This nutter in China couldn't get a gun, and as a result his victims lived.

Putting in social safety nets and mental health care is what lowers the incidence of things like this, and it's of course the right thing to do. That will help. Problem is though that humans aren't really very stable and trustworthy. People will break down and flip out, and to say that the ready availability of recreational or "self defense" firearms doesn't make the place more unsafe is moral cowardice.

Post by **Dome** » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:12 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 15 2012, 03:40 AM) People are very quick to say things like "it's not the guns, crazy people will find a way. They'll use a knife or a club or something." And that is absolutely true for the latter part... lack of guns doesn't mean crazy people don't get crazy... but do check out that happened in China at the same time.

Horrifying coincidence that two such events could happen on the same day. Your point to the contrast in fatalities is well observed.

We can only hope Obama and Congress take the necessary action. Arguments against stricter gun control should hold no value in the face of so many tragedies.

We should do what Australia did in '96 after the Port Arthur massacre and just let the govt buy our guns back. It worked for them.

I'm not comparing Australia and the U.S... I'm just saying... it is about time for something to be done about all the massacres happening here these days.