Prop 8 Oral Arguments

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:29 pm

Sundance_ wrote:QUOTE (Sundance_ @ Apr 14 2013, 01:03 PM) As far as Prop 8 goes in the eyes of a strong conservative... I'm uncomfortable when I'm around a guy kissing another guy. I can't help it. It's just too different for me. But... how does my discomfort in ANY WAY give me the right to tell them they don't deserve the same benefits my wife and I enjoy? It doesn't. Period. Nobody should be able to say in good conscience that same-sex couples can't get married just because I don't agree with it.

You sir are quite all right

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:45 pm

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Apr 14 2013, 05:05 AM) I probably have the most diverse experience going from an all-white country town and then living in southern California.

*buzzer noise*

Crono lives there and he is from another country. Same with Refill (past tense)
I lived in So Cal too and I am from a large city where I, as a WASP, was the minority, etc etc.

Honestly Metz you hardly experienced anything more then the idea that sterotypes you were taught over the years are just that rather then hard and fast rules for life

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:59 pm

Crono is an Aussie-Asian living in Asian land. Went from a college environment to another college environment.

I was like 1 of 2 white people working graveyard shift on Harbor Blvd in Santa Ana for a while - extremely high crime full of drugs addicts and pimps and streetwalkers, and being white if I turn the wrong corner I might end up dead; 1 of 2 non-swingers working for a swinger's organization at another time, the poorest person ever to be allowed to work near Dr Phil and Sandra Bullock's properties in Beverly Hills, the only white person laboring on construction sites for like a year and a half (you should hear how Mexicans talk @#(! about white people on construction sites. they even go as far as denying me a drink of water because I'm white, crap like that), not to mention almost all my friends in so-cal were Hispanic (Asians don't really co-mingle with other races, and there's no blacks in Orange County) I've been out of my element pretty much constantly for years. and my friends who come from illegal-immigrant families and such pretty much agree with with the conclusions of my analysis on like, everything.

Even the minorities group members I know are less racially paranoid than the people on this forum.
I say every racist thing I can think of to the slough of Hispanics on my Facebook list. Guess how many of them get upset? None.
Stop trying to defend people who don't need defending and go get a life.

Even *they* know it's true. Asian-Americans know they are bad drivers. Black-Americans know they purposely talk incorrectly as to not act "white". Mexican-Americans know they are poor and have tons of kids.

You'd all know that, you know, if you knew any.
Nobody is more racist than the minorities themselves.

In other news, there's a game on this talkshow I listen to called "Black, white, mexi, or Jew?" in which they describe a recent true event and you have to guess the race of the person involved. It's hilarious. (Asian isn't a choice because Asians don't really do anything unexpected)

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:29 pm

MrChaos wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos @ Apr 15 2013, 01:45 AM) Honestly Metz you hardly experienced anything more then the idea that sterotypes you were taught over the years are just that rather then hard and fast rules for life

Well said.

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:59 pm

Metz my man I've spent a lifetime experiencing things and trying to put it all in context. I grew up in the city limits of Detroit during the flip from it being a mostly white to mostly black city. Some day on mumble we can compare notes and trade stories. I wasn't defending anyone just laughing at the young thinking they had experienced it all. Sorry to offend you but in hindsight not sure how you wouldn't be.

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:59 am

and my post wasn't directed at you in particular, you nutcase

Gandalf2 · Post by **Gandalf2** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:40 pm

Sundance_ wrote:QUOTE (Sundance_ @ Apr 14 2013, 11:03 AM) The old fashioned person in me wishes a same-sex marriage could be called something other than marriage, simply on a definitions basis (to keep marriage as man-woman), but since I can't think of any name that would make sense.... it becomes a stupid desire anyway.

This is basically what we have in the UK already, it's called a civil partnership and has the same legal rights as marriage and met with very little opposition. However now they are trying to change the definition of marriage too (but not civil partnerships which is a fun argument to make, that this law would actually create inequality!).

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:48 pm

Gandalf2 wrote:QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Apr 16 2013, 01:40 AM) This is basically what we have in the UK already, it's called a civil partnership and has the same legal rights as marriage and met with very little opposition. However now they are trying to change the definition of marriage too (but not civil partnerships which is a fun argument to make, that this law would actually create inequality!).

It is overly complicated and needless to have two separate institutions for the same effect. Just allow any two concenting adults to get married. Simple and fair

Gandalf2 · Post by **Gandalf2** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:50 pm

But we'll still have two separate institutions