Archangelus wrote:QUOTE (Archangelus @ Dec 6 2014, 02:16 PM) Peenix is not boring. Their fun tech is just THAT EXPENSIVE. Like someone said above, if u wanna make it fun, remove transceiver as pre-req for their fun tech, or tie them to less tech. Right now, for any fun tech they use, they need another 2 that most likely wont.
Having fun tech doesn't keep a faction from being boring.
The problem with Phoenix is as follows:
IC: Tough, in-your-face, no nonsense faction.
Giga: Bah $#@! it we're rich throw money in their face.
Bios: BET YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING
Belters: Yarrr, we be pirates
Rix: Aliens.
Dreg: speedy, speedy lizards but easy to step on and squish.
GT: Utilitarian cyborgs.
TF: Actually just computers.
OH: Hive mind and insects.
Drac: "who cares about the guns, just stick a few more layers of armor on it."
Phoenix: ... um.
Phoenix is by far the most vanilla faction in the game and it doesn't have a real "direction." It feels more like someone was testing the limits of what could be accomplished in ICE than someone was trying to design a faction for general consumption. Almost all of its faction modifiers are 1. For $#@!'s sake, the faction's defining feature is its ship models which look completely unlike anything else in Allegiance. When you think about Dreg you don't think about how their ships look, you think about how they're FAST and how their missiles hit like a truck. TF's defined by how slow their ships are. Rix, by the way they turn and their lack of missiles.
Phoenix used to be "the shield faction" but there were all kinds of problems with assault shields and the removal of nanning and it just didn't make for good gameplay. But making Vanguards cheaper wouldn't change the fact that there's no good reason to play Phoenix. Even if Vanguards were strong and a viable solo-techpath because you made them cheaper or better or whatever, Phoenix still would suck as a faction because
there is literally no reason to play them aside from getting Vanguards.
Just to point out IC for a second:
Sup: Miners rip and rip GA + spamming TPs around the map is really good for the econ. Ungalvable bases is huge in the sup mirror because you can buy galvs without fear of them being used against you. Good energy and good damage (both for PW and missiles) lead to some very hard-hitting bomb runs. Downside: big 'ol fatty hitboxes.
Tac: Missile damage, EW damage, and extra energy help offset the poor signature. Ability to get a second tech with just a techbase (not needing to research the ship) means that getting a sup or exp for defensive ships is very possible. Downside: high sig.
Exp: ungalvable bases mean that the sup matchup is a nightmare for the other team. Good PW damage and solid hull make for tough and dangerous interceptors. Ability to offload at techbases helps with economic planning. Downside: 2:00 con time build is rough for Expansion making it more likely they get out expanded early.
Compare to Phoenix:
Sup:5% missile damage nerf.
Tac: 5% missile damage nerf.
Exp: 10% turn torque perk.
Quick edit: I think the proble is that you're looking at it as a pilot while I'm looking at it as a commander. I want to see what interesting decisions the faction gives me tactically, while you care mostly about what ship you're flying and how it handles.
