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SumVeritas wrote:QUOTE (SumVeritas @ Feb 4 2019, 03:11 PM) yeah, but you can't deny how much time he gets to make a decision due to how awesome the pats O line is

yeah o-line guys give him tons of time all day. Aaron who? Ndamukong who?

I am so impressed with the ability of a guy who makes $15m a year to throw a pass 3 yards beyond the line of scrimmage to hit a stationary target in his hands. Especially since that's not a skill that's matched by at least 31 other people.

Also most of the "the ball hit the receiver in the hands and the receiver dropped it" passes by Brady were where Brady put the ball so low to the ground that if they were inflated to regulation PSI they'd have touched the grass.

Seriously look at the difference between the '07 and '08 pats. Their points-per-drive dropped by .6 between Cassell and Brady. The year after, 2009? They lost another .5 ppg switching BACK to Brady. The team regressed in the year it went from Cassell to Brady offensively. 2016, Brady was outplayed by Garroppolo. Now, maybe, maaaaybe Jimmy G is going to the hall of fame someday and is going to have a career arc where we're looking at him like "holy @#(! there's a generational quarterback," but I sincerely doubt it. What I suspect actually happened was this:

Belichick figured out the throws that Brady can make and the throws that Brady can't make and then assembled an offense around it. And I don't mean "built a team," I mean quite literally just looked at route combinations that let the receivers be consistently open for throws that Brady can make.

Tom Brady gets a @#(!ton of credit because he's "The Quarterback" which is "The Most Important Position In Football," but if you watch his game he doesn't really do anything special. He doesn't even do anything particularly great. Mostly he makes reasonably accurate intermediate throws to wide-open receivers. "But but but but but but but" I hear you stammering already, except recall that Jared Goff had an entire season of doing the exact same thing.

As did $#@!ing NICK MULLENS. That's how George Kittle ended up with the TE receiving yard record despite being literally the only target on the 49ers roster.

The more I watch the Patriots, and the more I look over their success, the less impressed I am with Tom Brady. He just happened to be the guy in place, but Belichick could have done exactly this much with basically any QB with a reasonable intermediate throw. I suspect he would have been able to take Colin Kaepernick and turn him into a 50 TD/year player.

I mostly agree with what you wrote in your last post P1.
The one thing that has always impressed me is Brady's cool head and mostly excellent decision making when under pressure in the pocket.
That can't be taught.

Belichick deserves most of the credit for winning as many rings as he has.
As both Head Coach & General Manager with total control of the team, he is undeniably the greatest coach and possibly GM in professional football history.
I just wish he would take his 8 rings and retire so someone else in the AFC (mainly the Bills coach) have a chance for a shot at the AFC championship.

Part of me wonders about the decision making. I'm inclined to give Brady the benefit of the doubt there, but like... the jump in quality from Mike Nolan/Mike Singletary Alex Smith to Jim Harbaugh Alex Smith? The jump in quality from Jim Harbaugh Colin Kaepernick to Chip Kelly/Jim Tomsula Colin Kaepernick?

I wonder how often Brady actually goes through reads and progressions and how much of it is the scheme and playcalling that allow for good distribution of the football.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Brady is BAD: he's certainly better than Alex Smith ever was, and is definitely a Hall of Fame quarterback. I just get this slinking suspicion that Tom Brady's "wins over replacement" is... not as high as others, and that if it wasn't Tom Brady, Belichick would've found some other guy to plug in to win 4-5 superbowls with. We're not talking an Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning situation.

Remember when Manning went down with a neck injury and the Colts went from 10-6 to 12-4? And where were the colts without Luck? And the Saints are nothing if Brees isn't on their roster.

Brady's more like a Patrick Mahommes type: very, very good and the benefactor of some pristine circumstances.

+1 to Belichick as GOAT.

Most of my friends were complaining about the low score, but tbh watching the battle of coaches and defensive strategy made for a dope afternoon.

Right?

I don't know why people obsess over scoring in sports. Defense is naturally harder, so watching successful defense is super awesome.

Agreed 100%
Mainly because I mostly played defense on football teams when I was young.

On a side note, is it possible for Belichick to get voted in to the Hall Of Fame as both a coach and a GM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZufziHTQ2k

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