Biden Crushes Ryan
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Agri did like Biden's performance throughout, but his statement on abortion was probably the best - contrasted as it was with Ryan and his bollocks
QUOTE Moderator Martha Raddatz: I want to move on, and I want to return home for these last few questions. This debate is, indeed, historic. We have two Catholic candidates, first time, on a stage such as this. And I would like to ask you both to tell me what role your religion has played in your own personal views on abortion.
Please talk about how you came to that decision. Talk about how your religion played a part in that. And, please, this is such an emotional issue for so many people in this country…
Paul Ryan: Sure.
Moderator Martha Raddatz: … please talk personally about this, if you could.
Congressman Ryan?
Paul Ryan: I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. Our faith informs us in everything we do. My faith informs me about how to take care of the vulnerable, of how to make sure that people have a chance in life.
Now, you want to ask basically why I’m pro-life? It’s not simply because of my Catholic faith. That’s a factor, of course. But it’s also because of reason and science.
You know, I think about 10 1/2 years ago, my wife Janna and I went to Mercy Hospital in Janesville where I was born, for our seven week ultrasound for our firstborn child, and we saw that heartbeat. A little baby was in the shape of a bean. And to this day, we have nicknamed our firstborn child Liza, “Bean.” Now I believe that life begins at conception.
That’s why — those are the reasons why I’m pro-life. Now I understand this is a difficult issue, and I respect people who don’t agree with me on this, but the policy of a Romney administration will be to oppose abortions with the exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they’re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.
Our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious liberties. And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they wanted it to be safe, legal and rare. Now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said that he sympathized and wouldn’t second guess their one child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme.
Moderator Martha Raddatz: Vice President Biden?
Joe Biden: My religion defines who I am, and I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life. And has particularly informed my social doctrine. The Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who — who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help. With regard to — with regard to abortion, I accept my church’s position on abortion as a — what we call a de fide doctrine. Life begins at conception in the church’s judgment. I accept it in my personal life.
But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the — the congressman. I — I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that — women they can’t control their body. It’s a decision between them and their doctor. In my view and the Supreme Court, I’m not going to interfere with that. With regard to the assault on the Catholic church, let me make it absolutely clear, no religious institution, Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic Social Services, Georgetown Hospital, Mercy Hospital, any hospital, none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact.
That is a fact. Now with regard to the way in which the — we differ, my friend says that he — well I guess he accepts Governor Romney’s position now, because in the past he has argued that there was — there’s rape and forcible rape. He’s argued that in the case of rape or incest, it was still — it would be a crime to engage in having an abortion. I just fundamentally disagree with my friend.[/quote]
http://blogs.christianpost.com/cp-events/t...atements-12467/
QUOTE Moderator Martha Raddatz: I want to move on, and I want to return home for these last few questions. This debate is, indeed, historic. We have two Catholic candidates, first time, on a stage such as this. And I would like to ask you both to tell me what role your religion has played in your own personal views on abortion.
Please talk about how you came to that decision. Talk about how your religion played a part in that. And, please, this is such an emotional issue for so many people in this country…
Paul Ryan: Sure.
Moderator Martha Raddatz: … please talk personally about this, if you could.
Congressman Ryan?
Paul Ryan: I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. Our faith informs us in everything we do. My faith informs me about how to take care of the vulnerable, of how to make sure that people have a chance in life.
Now, you want to ask basically why I’m pro-life? It’s not simply because of my Catholic faith. That’s a factor, of course. But it’s also because of reason and science.
You know, I think about 10 1/2 years ago, my wife Janna and I went to Mercy Hospital in Janesville where I was born, for our seven week ultrasound for our firstborn child, and we saw that heartbeat. A little baby was in the shape of a bean. And to this day, we have nicknamed our firstborn child Liza, “Bean.” Now I believe that life begins at conception.
That’s why — those are the reasons why I’m pro-life. Now I understand this is a difficult issue, and I respect people who don’t agree with me on this, but the policy of a Romney administration will be to oppose abortions with the exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. What troubles me more is how this administration has handled all of these issues. Look at what they’re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.
Our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious liberties. And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they wanted it to be safe, legal and rare. Now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said that he sympathized and wouldn’t second guess their one child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme.
Moderator Martha Raddatz: Vice President Biden?
Joe Biden: My religion defines who I am, and I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life. And has particularly informed my social doctrine. The Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who — who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help. With regard to — with regard to abortion, I accept my church’s position on abortion as a — what we call a de fide doctrine. Life begins at conception in the church’s judgment. I accept it in my personal life.
But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the — the congressman. I — I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that — women they can’t control their body. It’s a decision between them and their doctor. In my view and the Supreme Court, I’m not going to interfere with that. With regard to the assault on the Catholic church, let me make it absolutely clear, no religious institution, Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic Social Services, Georgetown Hospital, Mercy Hospital, any hospital, none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact.
That is a fact. Now with regard to the way in which the — we differ, my friend says that he — well I guess he accepts Governor Romney’s position now, because in the past he has argued that there was — there’s rape and forcible rape. He’s argued that in the case of rape or incest, it was still — it would be a crime to engage in having an abortion. I just fundamentally disagree with my friend.[/quote]
http://blogs.christianpost.com/cp-events/t...atements-12467/
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“Life,” the belgian agri observed, “is a long dialogue with imbeciles.’’
BBC Dambusters programme: "By the time they (617 Squadron) had dropped their bombs on the Eder Dam, they were flying at the height of that lamp-post"
BBC Dambusters programme: "By the time they (617 Squadron) had dropped their bombs on the Eder Dam, they were flying at the height of that lamp-post"
Here's the whole thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3roG09O6T4
Biden really did crush that annoying Ayn Rand fan, calling him out on his bull@#(!. I absolutely loved the triumph of facts vs. rhetoric.
Biden really did crush that annoying Ayn Rand fan, calling him out on his bull@#(!. I absolutely loved the triumph of facts vs. rhetoric.
<bp|> Maybe when I grow up I can be a troll like PsycH
<bp|> or an obsessive compulsive paladin of law like Adept
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Well for one, I cannot vote as I am only a permanent resident, (and a citizen of Italy combined with a citizen of Venezuela and the US is anal about having multiple citizenships) What my point is, that I don't care for either candidate, as they are both a very bad joke, and this race is stupid since we only get to choose between Coke and Pepsi if you can understand my analogy.Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Oct 12 2012, 07:21 AM) Way to get the point of a vote. Is that a clever commentary on the whole election maybe?
"I vote for the Republican no matter what"
No, If I had a choice, Republican would not be my preference and neither would be a Democrat.
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http://alleg.tripod.comDoc Izzo wrote:QUOTE (Doc Izzo @ Sep 21 2012, 06:34 AM) k10, when people fear you like they fear me, you can get at me.
QUOTE The Romney/Ryan ticket decided, with incredible cynicism, that that they were going to promise this massive tax break, not explain how to pay for it, and then just hang on until election day, knowing that most of the political press would let it skate, or at least not take a dump all over it when explaining it to the public. Unchallenged, and treated in print and on the air as though it were the same thing as a real plan, a 20 percent tax cut sounds pretty good to most Americans. Hell, it sounds good to me.
The proper way to report such a tactic is to bring to your coverage exactly the feeling that Biden brought to the debate last night: contempt and amazement. We in the press should be offended by what Romney and Ryan are doing – we should take professional offense that any politician would try to whisk such a gigantic lie past us to our audiences, and we should take patriotic offense that anyone is trying to seize the White House using such transparently childish and dishonest tactics.[/quote]
-- Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone
The proper way to report such a tactic is to bring to your coverage exactly the feeling that Biden brought to the debate last night: contempt and amazement. We in the press should be offended by what Romney and Ryan are doing – we should take professional offense that any politician would try to whisk such a gigantic lie past us to our audiences, and we should take patriotic offense that anyone is trying to seize the White House using such transparently childish and dishonest tactics.[/quote]
-- Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone
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I watched the whole thing, Biden came out and spanked Ryan over his knee.
While I am nowhere near 100% happy with the current administration. At least I know where they stand and what they are doing. The lack of ANY facts from the Romney/Ryan ticket scares the hell out of me.
Favorite parts from the debate:
1. The part where Biden headshotted ryan with his and romney's statements about people not paying taxes and being takers
2. where Biden pointed out the massive cut to embassy security in Ryan's budget
3. the part where Biden bitchslapped ryan with his complete lack of facts or support
4. Biden's closing was perfect, that is EXACTLY how I feel about abortion.
I am horribly tired with the lies, empty promises and complete lack of anything other than fluff coming out of the republican compaign.
I am registered republican, and I am ASHAMED at my party right now.
While I am nowhere near 100% happy with the current administration. At least I know where they stand and what they are doing. The lack of ANY facts from the Romney/Ryan ticket scares the hell out of me.
Favorite parts from the debate:
1. The part where Biden headshotted ryan with his and romney's statements about people not paying taxes and being takers
2. where Biden pointed out the massive cut to embassy security in Ryan's budget
3. the part where Biden bitchslapped ryan with his complete lack of facts or support
4. Biden's closing was perfect, that is EXACTLY how I feel about abortion.
I am horribly tired with the lies, empty promises and complete lack of anything other than fluff coming out of the republican compaign.
I am registered republican, and I am ASHAMED at my party right now.
The euphemisms and misused words from Ryan were hurting my brain when watching it.
For instance "small business". Any time he's talking about tax cuts to business it's always "small business", even though what he really means exactly the opposite.
For instance "small business". Any time he's talking about tax cuts to business it's always "small business", even though what he really means exactly the opposite.
<bp|> Maybe when I grow up I can be a troll like PsycH
<bp|> or an obsessive compulsive paladin of law like Adept