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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:52 pm
by vlad13
well here are some random choices also remember that green is really green and black so you can have 2 colours.
blue
teal
Yellow and teal
Yellow teal close up
Ok i had a look at color blindness and the most common type (5%) does not see green correctly, it goes reddish. So you can leave the red door red and make the green door something with a lot of blue in it and little red and green (hex), like teal possibly or even plain blue.
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:51 pm
by BlackViper
vlad13 wrote:QUOTE (vlad13 @ Nov 14 2006, 06:27 AM) Well the way i see it you dont need to see the red door that much so that doesn't matter much and if you have problems seeing a green door surely you wont see any other colour much better.
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I am one of those who is partially color blind. Close to 100% of us who are, can only see
BLUE and YELLOW.
Any shade of green or red can not be seen. (Wierd quirk, if if is an OSHA Federal safety shade of red, some folks can see it.)
May I suggest a yellow exit door?
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:33 pm
by madpeople
YELLOW $%£$ PERFECT!
yellow and black strpie exits...
DANGER
i.e. dont dock there
thats perfect!
practical and the colour makes sense
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:46 pm
by jgbaxter
Thankfully the debate over colour is not something new. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
Firetrucks are actually something that is very useful to this debate, as they were red originally and worldwide people have used different colours to get the best dramatic effect so people can "get outda way" fast.
QUOTE
Color and Safety
A review of human visual color functions sets the stage for questioning the [choice of red for] fire vehicles. In the mid- 1800s, Helmholtz wrote about the human eye as red-weak. When human eyes are adapted to daylight (photopia), the color red is seen with much greater difficulty that are most other colors. At night, when eyes are dark adapted (scotopia), they are practically red-blind (Hart, 1992; Southhall, 1961). Traquair (1949) found that certain colors can be seen farther into the visual periphery than others, thus offering earlier detection. Red has a narrow lateral range, whereas yellow's range is much wider (Traquair, 1949). Allen (1970) stated that color-defective individuals struggle with the color red but can see yellow much more readily. In fact, 8% of the male population is red/green defective; of this group, 25% are red-blind (Allen, 1970).
In an attempt to make fire apparatus more visible, fire officials often paint the vehicles in two tones. The most popular combination is red and white - the logic being that red is used for tradition and white for visibility. Unfortunately, red/white two-tone lists tenth (near the bottom) on the visibility list for paired colors (Nathan, 1969). Sleight, in his research for the Highway Research Board, pointed out that two-tone colors may actually camouflage vehicles against the background (Leonard & Sleight, 1967). These findings lead us to ask, Does the choice of fire vehicle affect accident probability? What color is the safest?
We recently demonstrated that the probability that red and red/white fire apparatus will be involved in an accident is greater than that of lime-yellow/white fire apparatus. We focused our analysis on a single city - Dallas, Texas - to reduce the effect of variables such as training, law enforcement, traffic densities, weather conditions, apparatus operation, vehicle inspection and maintenance, and length of runs. We chose Dallas because both lime-yellow/white and red and red/white fire apparatus were simultaneously in service and geographically uniformly distributed during the period 1984 through 1988.
Which Color Is Safest?
Recently, DuPont researcher Dr. David H. Alman measured chroma and reflectance of DuPont paints typically used in the transportation industry; his studies were conducted under controlled lighting representing daytime and nighttime illumination. Lime-yellow (reflectance peaking near 550 nm wavelength) was shown to have the "best fit" for the sensitivity curve of human photopic (daylight) vision. Thus, the daytime and nighttime eye response to lime-yellow is strong, enabling more rapid reaction. Because lime-yellow is also an intense color, it is easily distinguished from rural and urban backgrounds (Allen, 1970). These factors, combined with reflectance approaching white, make lime-yellow a prime candidate for the safest color for fire apparatus.
Excerpts from "Fire Truck Visibility" by Stephen S. Solomon & James G. King, in ERGONOMICS IN DESIGN [/quote]
BLUE
LIME
ORANGE
RED
YELLOW
Personally, I prefer construction sign neon orange, sort of a yellow/orange smack in the head, I couldn't find any examples though.
Hope this helps. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:56 pm
by Raveen
BlackViper wrote:QUOTE (BlackViper @ Nov 14 2006, 01:51 PM) '
I am one of those who is partially color blind. Close to 100% of us who are, can only see
BLUE and YELLOW.
Any shade of green or red can not be seen. (Wierd quirk, if if is an OSHA Federal safety shade of red, some folks can see it.)
May I suggest a yellow exit door?
Ok, I'll see what I can do. Of course as soon as I'm done I fully expect to see BV buying HTTs left right and center... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:33 pm
by BlackViper
Note: I have not purchased an HTT in over 6 years for obvious reasons /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />
Can't wait....
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:07 pm
by Shizoku
Cant wait to find out if it's more embaracing to bounce of the proper door or the exiting one?
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:29 am
by farmerjon
I am heartened to see the many responses to my post. Just for clarification, to those of you who aren't (or who don't know you ARE /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> ) colour blind, there are several different types: red/green being the most common, but I believe there are at least 4 different combos, blue/green being one I think, and some people, such as myself, can express more than one type. Even more interesting, as it is a recessive gene on the X chromosome, some women can have one colour blind expression on an X chromosome and another, on a normal gene on the other X, and for some reason as a result, half of the cones in their eyes will express one gene and half the other, meaning as a coloured light is passed across their eye it can flicker colours (this is what I am told, who knows).
But practically speaking, it is not as simple as this or that. All I can say, for me, is that the particular shade, and texture can make a big difference, mattes are much easier to differentiate than a glossy, for instance. In Allegiance, the shades, or perhaps the way they are used, for different factions make a difference. I have had no problems, for instance, with Belters and Bios, and probably some other factions, and have only noticed Rix, and either TF or Nix, I can't remember which, were difficult, so from my point of view if the colours were just tweaked to be the same as, say, the red and greens used for Belters, than it would eliminate my personal difficulty. I think given that a small sampling of players, of which there aren't too many in the first place, will have this problem might mean that we can determine shades that work without actually having to change the colour scheme in general, making it less trouble for the whole community. Hope this helps /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:14 am
by Raveen
To keep people updated, I've made a Belters tex in yellow and blue and sent it to BV for testing (working on the principal that if BV can see it then anyone can). Assuming that's good I'll start work on the rest of the bases and release a texture pack once they're done.
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:38 pm
by BlackViper
I launched a quick game last night to test. I want to do it again later today. The door did not appear yellow to me, but I would like to get a few other people on the team to double check it.