Green New Deal

sambasti · Post by **sambasti** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:33 am

People have commented on the economic lols but this is what really grinds my gears:

QUOTE 8. Rein in the military-industrial complex by

reducing military spending by 50% and closing U.S. military bases around the world;
restoring the National Guard as the centerpiece of our system of national defense; and,
creating a new round of nuclear disarmament initiatives.[/quote]

I'm not sure if the GND types give a @#(! about the rest of the world, which would fare significantly worse in a geopolitical sphere dominated by China or Russia, or if they just don't understand how much of the global world order is dependent on US military might. Nevermind the amount of benefit that the US itself gets from being the world's greatest superpower.

Post by **zombywoof** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:41 pm

Yeah that one to me was like "ok so... these people have no idea what the majority of the US military actually does."

Hint: it's not a coincidence that South Korea and Japan, both sites of major US military bases, have developed into important world economies.

We could stop bombing people though. I'd be fine with that.

Post by **Papsmear** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:33 pm

Except for maybe ISIS & Al Qaeda

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:41 pm

sambasti wrote:QUOTE (sambasti @ Feb 12 2019, 12:33 AM) I'm not sure if the GND types give a @#(! about the rest of the world, which would fare significantly worse in a geopolitical sphere dominated by China or Russia, or if they just don't understand how much of the global world order is dependent on US military might. Nevermind the amount of benefit that the US itself gets from being the world's greatest superpower.

would be nice to stop spending money to protect the rest of the world. maybe you should step it up some?

Post by **zombywoof** » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:09 pm

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Feb 12 2019, 12:33 PM) Except for maybe ISIS & Al Qaeda

I would genuinely be fine if we stopped bombing them, too.

Terran · Post by **Terran** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:49 am

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Feb 12 2019, 04:41 PM) would be nice to stop spending money to protect the rest of the world. maybe you should step it up some?

unfortunately, until the rest of the world actually grows a pair, it is more aligned with America's interests to pay to protect everyone that matters than let them fall prey to @#(!ty regimes like China and Iran.

sambasti · Post by **sambasti** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:02 am

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Feb 12 2019, 04:41 PM) would be nice to stop spending money to protect the rest of the world. maybe you should step it up some?

As a proud 'murican that pays a @#(! ton in taxes, I like my global hegemony tyvm.

Post by **Dome** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:48 am

-50% in military funding is still 400 billion dollars just saying. We don't need a Spaceforce ffs.. or more nukes.

Why not pay teachers and focus on education. Remember education? Or students?
Why not spend the money on a single payer health care system.
Or on infrastructure or ANYTHING ELSE anyone ever talks about.

What the $#@! it's so obvious that we need to spend more on other things like education and less on the military, even if that means losing some footing around the world.

Not only education, what about the VA? Our veterans continue to get screwed but lots of people here still think we should submit more people to the military.

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:28 pm

The author of the bill Sen. Markey is opposing his own bill becouse Sen. mcConnell is putting it up for vote. He claims it's sabotage for having it voted on.

Post by **zombywoof** » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:54 pm

Dome wrote:QUOTE (Dome @ Feb 13 2019, 01:48 AM) -50% in military funding is still 400 billion dollars just saying. We don't need a Spaceforce ffs.. or more nukes.

We need a nuclear first-strike capability and we need bases around the world to protect our allies.

QUOTE What the $#@! it's so obvious that we need to spend more on other things like education and less on the military, even if that means losing some footing around the world.[/quote]
For counties like Japan and South Korea who live in the shadow of belligerents who have weapons aimed at them (hi, North Korea) the US losing footing around the world greatly increases the chances that they die.

QUOTE Not only education, what about the VA? Our veterans continue to get screwed but lots of people here still think we should submit more people to the military.[/quote]
Veterans get screwed because we keep fighting random wars in random places. No one in this thread is suggesting we fight more wars. Actually, the people who are saying "don't close military bases" are simply pointing out that we haven't fought wars in nations that have US military bases since WW2.