Donald Trump

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:27 am

My point appears to have been lost on you, which was basically:

Hey! Everyone's country has problems!

(Also, we do have retirement pensions, have had them since the 1930s. Social Security. The Republicans have been trying to dismantle it for almost 90 years now!)

badpazzword · Post by **badpazzword** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:29 am

Rest assured I did notice you trying to turn this into a race to the bottom

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:52 pm

I will admit that my nation's never had a leader who makes the trains run on time

badpazzword · Post by **badpazzword** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:03 pm

Let me know when you're done strawmanning

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:19 pm

phoenix1 wrote:QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Feb 6 2019, 09:15 PM) Working together to create a society is a welfare state to you? I suppose in that case humanity has always existed in a welfare state...

Not just a society. A society where everyone has enough to survive; those were your words. A government that ensures a bare minimum standard of living for all its citizens, or tries to, is the definition of a welfare state. I'm not using the word pejoratively here. I admit I am assuming the "state" part of "welfare state" since we are talking politics here, but maybe you cleverly left the door open for that role to be entirely filled by non-compulsory institutions like families, churches, charitable organizations, etc. for a reason.

Living in a society doesn't make you a socialist. Living in a community doesn't make you a communist. That's not what those words mean; if they did then yes, every society and every community ever is socialist and communist. Living in a commune, on the other hand ...

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:25 pm

badp wrote:QUOTE (badp @ Feb 7 2019, 09:03 AM) Let me know when you're done strawmanning

Lmao you can dish but you can't take, eh?

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/01/trump ... n-el-paso/

Walls... something.

badpazzword · Post by **badpazzword** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:38 pm

Elzam, step away from Phoenix's keyboard

minigun · Post by **minigun** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:59 pm

badp wrote:QUOTE (badp @ Feb 8 2019, 04:38 AM) Elzam, step away from Phoenix's keyboard

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:56 pm

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Feb 7 2019, 09:19 AM) Not just a society. A society where everyone has enough to survive; those were your words. A government that ensures a bare minimum standard of living for all its citizens, or tries to, is the definition of a welfare state.

Two questions:

1) When do you believe the "welfare state" started in the US?

2) What are the words in the preamble to the US constitution?

Welfare state connotes direct handouts from the state. There have been many ideas of how a government can ensure the welfare of its people with handouts being precisely one of those ideas.

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:00 pm

badp wrote:QUOTE (badp @ Feb 7 2019, 09:38 AM) Elzam, step away from Phoenix's keyboard

I have no earthly idea what you're on about tbh. I genuinely assumed you were just taking the mickey out of the US, so I took the mickey out of Italy in exchange, then you got super butthurt about it.

I'm not trying to prove anything about any nation. I actually expressly stated that the US is the best place to live in the world with the possible exception of {nations | nations \in Europe U Canada}. You responded by joking that my nation isn't civilized because we don't have "universal healthcare." I responded by saying that "yeah but at least we guarantee access to public accommodations for people with disabilities." You responded by saying "OH MY GOD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BRING UP ITALY TO SHOW THAT EUROPE ISN'T PERFECT LMAO I WIN THIS ARGUMENT CUZ STRAWMANNING AND 1990." Ok. You win.