Donald Trump

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:04 am

Trump press conference with Pelosi, Schumer

NPR and the various blogs I read describe this a coup for Pelosi and Schumer, but watching the exchange, I donno. At least Trump is on tape saying that he'll take responsibility for the next furlough and not try to label it a #DemocratShutdown like last time (not that hasn't stopped him from doing a 180 the next day and denying he ever supported the thing he's on tape as supporting).

But Pelosi and Schumer could have done a better at playing up how the de facto supermajority requirement in the Senate is a wonderful thing that ensures that only bipartisan legislation gets passed and doesn't let 25 little states run the country over the objections of the most populated states, and how the Congress is really the voice of the people and what saves us from an overactive, and unpopular, executive from being able to dictate policy to the country. That he should let the process work and not try to micromanage, and if Congress decides, in its infinite wisdom, that the wall would do nothing for border security and just be a waste of taxpayer dollars, that vetoing Congress would be an act of sheer hubris. And oh, by the way, wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? How's that campaign promise going?

You know, basically all the same bull@#(! that Republicans used to say back when Obama was president and Democrats had the Congress.

But as it is, Pelosi and Schumer had terrible body language and squabbled over stupid @#(! like whether 40 Democratic flips in the House is more of a victory than 2 Republican flips in the Senate, and let Trump get away with repeating over and over again, we have to have a border security, we have to have a wall, the two things are the one and the same. Ugh. They didn't even have the decency to point out that the GOP House had some 60 votes to repeal the ACA knowing that it would never get through the Senate either, so why are they suddenly afraid of symbolic votes "to send a message" all of a sudden?

sambasti · Post by **sambasti** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:54 am

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Dec 11 2018, 09:04 PM) Trump press conference with Pelosi, Schumer

NPR and the various blogs I read describe this a coup for Pelosi and Schumer, but watching the exchange, I donno. At least Trump is on tape saying that he'll take responsibility for the next furlough and not try to label it a #DemocratShutdown like last time (not that hasn't stopped him from doing a 180 the next day and denying he ever supported the thing he's on tape as supporting).

But Pelosi and Schumer could have done a better at playing up how the de facto supermajority requirement in the Senate is a wonderful thing that ensures that only bipartisan legislation gets passed and doesn't let 25 little states run the country over the objections of the most populated states, and how the Congress is really the voice of the people and what saves us from an overactive, and unpopular, executive from being able to dictate policy to the country. That he should let the process work and not try to micromanage, and if Congress decides, in its infinite wisdom, that the wall would do nothing for border security and just be a waste of taxpayer dollars, that vetoing Congress would be an act of sheer hubris. And oh, by the way, wasn't Mexico going to pay for the wall? How's that campaign promise going?

You know, basically all the same bull@#(! that Republicans used to say back when Obama was president and Democrats had the Congress.

But as it is, Pelosi and Schumer had terrible body language and squabbled over stupid @#(! like whether 40 Democratic flips in the House is more of a victory than 2 Republican flips in the Senate, and let Trump get away with repeating over and over again, we have to have a border security, we have to have a wall, the two things are the one and the same. Ugh. They didn't even have the decency to point out that the GOP House had some 60 votes to repeal the ACA knowing that it would never get through the Senate either, so why are they suddenly afraid of symbolic votes "to send a message" all of a sudden?

I think they choose simplicity over depth and in the current environment I understand that choice. Trump is all about optics and has spent soo much time steamrolling the political establishment that just having someone sit there telling him "no" is enough to be labeled a win in the press.

Post by **zombywoof** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:28 pm

https://twitter.com/PPVSRB/status/1072921192292589568

Ouch.

And Cohen gets 3 years specifically for orchestrating a violation of campaign finance laws on behalf of the President of the United States of America.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1072902071936987136

Cohen flipped though, so probably no pardon incoming.

Broodwich · Post by **Broodwich** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:09 am

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Dec 11 2018, 06:04 PM) They didn't even have the decency to point out that the GOP House had some 60 votes to repeal the ACA knowing that it would never get through the Senate either, so why are they suddenly afraid of symbolic votes "to send a message" all of a sudden?

GOP has been the party of "no" since obama took office. They have no real plan other than slash taxes for the rich, and so it's probably better for them that they don't control all of the gov now. Now, instead of getting nothing done *while* controlling the entire government, they can point to the Dem House and say "it's their fault." It's really quite ridiculous that some people still support the GOP

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:26 am

Trump to deport Globey

SumVeritas · Post by **SumVeritas** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:24 am

cashto wrote:QUOTE (cashto @ Dec 12 2018, 09:26 PM) Trump to deport Globey

Globbey Texan, no Vietnam, globbey no criminal he Texan, he owns American gun. Only bad Vietnam Trump want out, Trump good president.

ryujin · Post by **ryujin** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:13 am

best beefcake president ever

Post by **Papsmear** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:00 pm

SumVeritas wrote:QUOTE (SumVeritas @ Dec 12 2018, 09:24 PM) Globbey Texan, no Vietnam, globbey no criminal he Texan, he owns American gun. Only bad Vietnam Trump want out, Trump good president.

And what's wrong with deporting violent convicted criminals that are in the country illegally?

SumVeritas · Post by **SumVeritas** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:14 pm

If you read the report, they are in the country legally, since they entered as war refugees, I would contend that they're actually American violent criminals, and the Trump administration is trying to dump them on the Vietnamese. Also keep in mind that these ppl were south Vietnamese Nationals, their country doesn't exist. So why should another nation must take this US problem¿?

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:45 pm

Papsmear wrote:QUOTE (Papsmear @ Dec 13 2018, 05:00 AM) And what's wrong with deporting violent convicted criminals that are in the country illegally?

QUOTE But Washington and Hanoi have a unique 2008 agreement that specifically bars the deportation of Vietnamese people who arrived in the United States before July 12, 1995—the date the two former foes reestablished diplomatic relations following the Vietnam War.[/quote]

The fact that we've entered an agreement to not deport these people.

The fact that they came here fleeing a @#(!ty thing that we did.

The fact that the country they came here from doesn't exist anymore.