xexy™ vs Element

[ChaoticStorm]

Tbh I like the current path of this thread. Much more chill.

[zombywoof]

QUOTE (Doc Izzo @ Nov 20 2014, 09:45 AM) What the $#@! happened in this thread

XEXY's defeat of Element 1.5 weeks ago spawned a three-part fanfiction.

[Kumquat]

QUOTE (phoenix1 @ Nov 20 2014, 02:23 PM) XEXY's defeat of Element 1.5 weeks ago spawned a three-part fanfiction.

A stellar three part fan fiction.

[Malicious Wraith]

That ends with Jita being blown up, which would be really great.
Make it so.

[kaiser33]

spideycw (too long to quote already too many qutoes!):

noononono wai wai wai wait up..i think my rage moment made me speak unclearly and with excess of insults i guess, but who doesnt everynow and then..right?...right? :

i never meant that the win you guys had was unfair or anything, did i say so specifically? i must have spoken without focusing on the main topic that was going through my head.

anyway i think i have already said if not twice that the win was legit, WE failed (or in other words you took the chance and won, nothing to argue in that).

what i have not liked so much and i hope to remember this to avoid this kind of messing around again is:

i hate those who brag over and over again on their wins and make it clear enough. specially those that think that only winning matters.

i have always played to have fun, not to win like some world of warcraft addict or a call of duty hacker who does not even care about competitiveness. to my standards, there is no particular

reason to WIN in here or is there? we have won squad games, a few but we did but i dont think it matters about anything it does not mean anything to me , if we made a competition for

money girls or whatever well.. there is a solid reason, a real reason.. we are supposed (in here) to have fun and enjoy and have good matches..and yes we have ,as a reason, maybe showing each of our

capabilities, thats all i ever wanted, all i've been waiting for since i began playing (for mec u remember) alleg started "dying" when no team could beat sysx.. there was no longer a reason to play if the

winners would be the same..and now.. i fear the same happening once again

im not whining because we lost or because you won, im whining yes because we have erased previous squads to form new balanced squads and look..there almost the same as in the past..

thats sad u know. i mean it might be too early to speak since not much time has passed but.. im just rising an eyebrow at all that is current. and inthe process getting pissed by those who think this will

help alleg or all non xexy players..i've not acused most of xexy players or anything for the sole reason most play for fun and do not comment with negative responses or bragging about, they have my

deepest respects.

wall of repeated text king. gosh i cant stop fixing typos.

[kaiser33]

also fan fictions are and look cool

and i $#@!ed up pressing enter.

and i cant delete this doubled post.

[Archangelus]

And I didnt even needed to derail this one.

Also sent, playing for fun is good. But playing to have fun and winning, is WAY BETTER. And for that, you dont need to be godly in an int like sheff, just 1/3 compentent as me.

[Kumquat]

Here, I'll share with ya'll a little story about Kummy.

I have brain damage that dates back to when I was born. The umbilical cord had wrapped around my neck and I did not breathe for awhile. As a result one of the things I suffer from is impaired hand eye coordination. This means in twitch based things I am terrible. I am one of the worst int pilots out there because in a 1 on 1 DM I just don't have the reaction times to out duel another int or even a fig. So maybe I can't be one of the better whores out there.

I compensate though with other things though. I have a very keen map awareness both offensively and defensively and can usually smell out what the other team is doing before they even try it. This is what makes me such a successful bomber and HTT pilot. I find the smallest of holes in a defensive net and can sneak myself into many places where others cannot. I use my intellect and map sense to figure out the best place to strike and the best way to get there and get total surprise. That is my niche in this game and I excel in it. If you want to be a successful player then you need to find your niche and stop trying to be something you are not.

[Wild]

[zombywoof]

By the way, people who are actually genuinely interested in winning tend to be genuinely interested in fair competition. Competitive people hate hackers and hacking or breaking the rules because it defeats the purpose of competition in the first place. A competitive Chess player wants to be the best Chess player, meaning that in accordance to the rules of Chess they want to win. Winning by, say, pretending their pawns are Checkers pieces wouldn't be fun. Nor would it be fun to distract your opponent and subtly move their queen into a position where it could be easily taken... because that's not the point of playing the game in the first place.

See, cheating (which is what hackers do) basically means you're no longer playing the game that's presented. Could we beat Zenith by simply dropping half their team at a crucial moment via several DDOS attacks in the finals? Probably... but then what's the point? We didn't really prove that our strategy and flying was better than their strategy and flying.

A lot of Zenith members complain about our 7 minute trollwin over them in the finals, but honestly I think about it this way: we pulled an onside kick out of our butts when Zenith wasn't expecting it. Should they have? Maybe. But they didn't, their pants were caught down, and they lost. That reset the bracket and now we're going into the final finals this sunday.

I think one of the mistakes scrubs make (look up "playing to win") is they get caught up in this whole dichotomy of "playing to win" and "playing for fun." You should really look and analyze what it is you enjoy about playing Allegiance. Myself, I derive satisfaction from positively contributing to the team. If my call kills a miner or my probe saves a base or I take out 3 nans on an enemy bomb run or my ram pushes the miner off of its rock or my blue donuts save the miner, I feel great. That's why I play the game.

It's ok to be a whore. It's ok to say, "I want to go out and murder doodz." I do that in pugs all the time: I try to join the team that's most likely going to give me hvy ints or against the team that's most likely to give me ships that I have an easy time hitting. I like flying Rix, IC, and GT hvies. I like shooting GT, OH, and IC hvies. I hate shooting TF, Dreg, and Drac hvies. In a PUG I'm much more likely to join, say, a Rix team that's flying against OH than I am to join a Giga team flying against Drac.

There are plenty of successful whores who have spent most, if not all, of their gametime in interceptors shooting things because that's what they like doing. I am thinking of Trasher and Gestsalt from my time with PK. Also Adam4 and TheBored would spend the entire game to see who got more kills and who got more assists. It was their little private subgame within the game. Camaro is another great example of a whore who positively contributed to games. Seymor likes killing miners: I'm convinced that if miner were invincible Seymor would simply never have played this game. His favorite moment in the game is when a miner dies. Aarmstrong and Spidey love/d commanding. Jaybird loved proxing. XJammer and P32 used to spend all of their PUGs ramming belters bombers all over the map. Before that, XJ loved soloing miners with belters scouts. Now he loves double-proxing miners on alephs.

You don't have to give up the things you enjoy doing in order to be good at the game. In fact, the magic of games like Allegiance (and to a lesser extent, DOTA and League of Legends) is that you can focus on the one aspect of the game you really enjoy without hurting your team. For people like me, that means I get to spend all game learning the stupid little intricacies and memorizing stupid little facts that I can spout out on a moment's notice and later on use to predict my opponent's movements. For people like Weedman or Drizzo, that means they get to spend the majority of the game shooting things with miniguns. For people like Seymor, that means flooding mumble with inane blither about someone else's cats.

Look it's not that you have to always be in the right ship at the right time. I get it, you hate flying scouts. But having watched multiple of your SG videos, I find it hard to believe that you enjoy the processes of launching, docking, and modifying your loadout which seems to be 90% of what you do. If you want to get better (which you don't have to) then all you have to do is to find the thing you really like doing, the thing that makes Allegiance fun for you, and get really good at that. If you really like killing doodz, get really good at putting your interceptor/patroller/whatever in the right place to defend miners. If you like killing miners, figure out where the miners are going to go and how to be there as quickly (and stealthily) as possible.

When I say that "winning is fun," what I really mean is "playing a good game is its own reward." I can't speak for Kummy or anyone else with regards to this, but as long as I feel like I and the people around me on my team played a great game and gave it our best, it's ok to lose. Obviously winning is better (and I would suspect anyone who claimed that winning doesn't make them feel good of lying), but as long as I've played well and my team played well it's alright to lose. I enjoyed my first game against Zenith even though we lost. Xexy fought hard and had some spectacular defenses. Zenith was better that day. So it goes.

But I got to make Weedman eat prox at full speed. I can still see in mind's eye as he boosted at the miner, but I'd slipped behind it and proxed right in front of it. Three or four bullets hit the thing before his ship exploded in a small fireball of 7 KB.

So in a sense you might be right: there's no real reason to "win" aside from winning being fun. But you win by playing your best, and who wouldn't want to play their best? Riding in a pod is no fun at all.