zimmerman trial

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:32 pm

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Jul 17 2013, 11:29 AM) racism is not exclusive to white people and it's $#@!ing stupid if you think it is

Noone is saying Zimmerman wasn't arrested/charged because he was Hispanic and Hispanic people get treated better than Black people. Its all White VS Black comparisons, even the ones in this thread. The news media even put up a picture of trayvon with his face photoshopped to look white and zimmermans to look black to show "oh how things might be different."

There's plenty of blame to go around for race bias from our predecessors and the remaining racists in this country, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. Not gonna take a ding for this one.

Race had NOTHING to do with this case, or its' handling by the local government.

EDIT: In fact, if race WAS an issue with this case i would say that Zimmerman would have gotten the book thrown at him. If that happened you could make a strong argument that the all-white Jurors were racially biased against him. The case was weak, no witnesses, and you have to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. I think the system worked exactly as it was supposed to here.

Post by **Raveen** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:30 am

Here's an interesting fact. Hispanic is not a race. Zimmerman is white by any rational definition of race (with apparently a black great grandfather).

It's a sad state of affairs when a society has invented new ways to racially discriminate because the ones we already have just aren't good enough.

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:59 am

germloucks wrote:QUOTE (germloucks @ Jul 17 2013, 07:32 PM) EDIT: In fact, if race WAS an issue with this case i would say that Zimmerman would have gotten the book thrown at him. If that happened you could make a strong argument that the all-white Jurors were racially biased against him. The case was weak, no witnesses, and you have to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. I think the system worked exactly as it was supposed to here.

The more I look at this case, the more I believe that Zimmerman is being persecuted for charges of racism that are completely false, and he really never should have been charged in the first place.

kramari · Post by **kramari** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:00 am

NightRychune wrote:QUOTE (NightRychune @ Jul 17 2013, 09:06 PM) do you think it's plausible that these people feel like they shouldn't bother trying at times because they'll be suppressed due to their race regardless of how much effort they put in?

I will just leave this here: http://youtu.be/VeK759FF84s

germloucks · Post by **germloucks** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:56 pm

Raveen wrote:QUOTE (Raveen @ Jul 18 2013, 12:30 AM) Here's an interesting fact. Hispanic is not a race. Zimmerman is white by any rational definition of race (with apparently a black great grandfather).

It's a sad state of affairs when a society has invented new ways to racially discriminate because the ones we already have just aren't good enough.

Here in the US, Hispanic is a sort of Catch-all designation for someone of Spanish/Mexican descent. We aren't calling him that, he self-identifies as Hispanic, marked it on his Voter ID card. Maybe you guys are a little more technical over there lol

Excuse us colonists here in the US/Mexico

QUOTE The more I look at this case, the more I believe that Zimmerman is being persecuted for charges of racism that are completely false, and he really never should have been charged in the first place.[/quote]

People reallllllly want Zimmerman to be a racist. It's like those seagulls in Finding Nemo, one person says it first then.......

clint · Post by **clint** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:34 pm

Its interessing to look who defend zimmerman, and those who think he should be in jail.

One side, we have got those who defends the american dream and self defense, I named the white trash : takingarms and archangelus. On the other side, the other (too many for been all cited) who are more moderated.

In this topic, the question is not if zimmerman was a racist and if its for that he killed martin, but should american still allowed every people to have some weapons...

And for that, we got some guys who defends the hispanics killer cause he acted like a white, even if in normal case, they would be stigmatised this hispanic cause he is not white ...

trivial

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:03 pm

After hearing clint's eloquent and well-researched opinions on the matter, I find myself re-evaluating my position and being forced to admit that I was wrong. Zimmerman is clearly guilty because he acted white. I don't think the actual evidence matters anymore, whether it be the eye-witness testimony or the forensics or anything else. It's really all about the fact that Americans should not allow every people to have some weapons.

Also, I'm sorry for being white trash.

Post by **Raveen** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:32 pm

TakingArms wrote:QUOTE (TakingArms @ Jul 19 2013, 02:03 PM) After hearing clint's eloquent and well-researched opinions on the matter, I find myself re-evaluating my position and being forced to admit that I was wrong. Zimmerman is clearly guilty because he acted white. I don't think the actual evidence matters anymore, whether it be the eye-witness testimony or the forensics or anything else. It's really all about the fact that Americans should not allow every people to have some weapons.

Also, I'm sorry for being white trash.

Well, I'm glad that's settled.

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:00 pm

TakingArms wrote:QUOTE (TakingArms @ Jul 19 2013, 02:03 PM) Also, I'm sorry for being white trash.

Acceptance is the first step to recovery

lexaal · Post by **lexaal** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:43 pm

HSharp wrote:QUOTE (HSharp @ Jul 19 2013, 05:00 PM) Acceptance is the first step to recovery

And a fixed parking position for your trailer is a first step to a own house.