Prop 8 Oral Arguments

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:49 pm

Vortrog wrote:QUOTE (Vortrog @ Apr 16 2013, 02:11 PM) Its all perception anyway Chrono.....for instance you dont realise how many funeral parlours around until someone dies.
If someone says Asians drivers are bad, you will always notice them.

Which reminds me.....why didnt the media hit up on the 'WMD' thing once North Korea has a successful nuclear test. Iraq was good enough for some treatment under speculation. Surely an invasion is imminent? You dont notice nuclear weapons or WMD until someone has one after all.....

I like many people had forgot.

Iraq didn't have China holding its hand.

Post by **Raveen** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:05 pm

Also North Korea actualy might have and might use WMDs and that's bad for the soldiers on the ground...

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:16 pm

Vortrog wrote:QUOTE (Vortrog @ Apr 17 2013, 02:32 AM) Corinthians 7:1-40

May I burn in hell for quoting the bible here but its just as a simplistic link to the first thing I find. I dont want theologens crawling all over this.

Are you being serious here?

That is the advice you think people should follow regarding marriage? A letter that is clearly written while expecting the world to come to an end in the near future? A socially conservative primitive from the iron age who thinks passion is bad and divorced women should not get remarried.

Surely you are trolling here.

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:29 pm

CronoDroid wrote:QUOTE (CronoDroid @ Apr 16 2013, 04:47 PM) The conclusion was that for all racial groups that die in car crashes, minorities besides Asians were more likely to be drinking and not wearing seat belts. Asians are also more likely to wear seat belts in general and are involved in less fatal accidents. Although this doesn't necessarily suggest Asians aren't "bad" drivers, at least they're good at not dying while driving compared to other races. I would argue that's somewhat important in considering whether someone is a good driver or not. Are Asian drivers unassertive compared to other races? Probably. I'm very assertive, but that's just me.

Asians are more likely to make "perceptual judgement errors".

As far as being more responsible about driving in general, most likely.

Gandalf2 · Post by **Gandalf2** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:30 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Apr 17 2013, 04:16 PM) Are you being serious here?

That is the advice you think people should follow regarding marriage? A letter that is clearly written while expecting the world to come to an end in the near future? A socially conservative primitive from the iron age who thinks passion is bad and divorced women should not get remarried.

Surely you are trolling here.

Sometimes your ignorance, aggression and bias is stunning Adept. The Bible has been kept out of this thread (and that's for the good of the thread) but you can't resist bashing Christianity can you?

Besides which I think you completely misread his post. I think he was touching on the fact I was touching on, that so many people don't like marriage, and maybe governments should make something else that recognises people's desire to be together and gain legal rights without calling it marriage. Some countries have done this. There have been cases of co-habitees taking their partners to court when they break up, usually (and rightly imo) they get very little. Something like what I am talking about could be good for people like them. I don't think the courts should try to gauge the level of commitment in a couple, if a couple consider themselves to be in a long-term relationship there should be something to make it official.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:46 pm

By even religious standards that is a letter written by a man, not word of god Gandalf. Where am I wrong? What exactly was the ignorance and Aggression? I treat the writings of the bible as any other ancient writings. Shouldn't the ideas presented there be judged by their merit, just like those of Aristotle or Julius Caesar, for instance? Are you saying that the author of the Corinthian Letters is automatically a moral authority we musn't question? Maybe I'm not the one with a bias in this.

As for the latter point, isn't that exactly why gay and lesbian couples want to be able to get married. To be recognized as having exactly the same kind of commitment as other married couples. Why should there be a separate word and definition for the marriage of two women or two men to that of a man-woman pairing.

QUOTE A letter that is clearly written while expecting the world to come to an end in the near future? A socially conservative primitive from the iron age who thinks passion is bad and divorced women should not get remarried.[/quote]
This is all literally from the quoted passages. Where am I wrong, and what is the "aggression and ignorance"?

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:48 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Apr 17 2013, 10:46 AM) Why should there be a separate word and definition for the marriage of two women or two men to that of a man-woman pairing.

Because they are different, in many ways, but most importantly because homosexual couples cannot naturally reproduce.

Why don't we just call men and women, "men". Why should there be separate words and definitions?
Oh right, because they ARE different.
Men have their own anatomy set as well as psychological predispositions.
Women, the same.
As does an all male-couple.
all-female, the same.
As does a hetero couple.

Words are discriminatory by nature. If you don't like it, you should probably just stop using words, yourself. You're engaging in discrimination.

WHY CAN'T ALL LANGUAGE JUST BE ONE WORD

cashto · Post by **cashto** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:57 pm

Gandalf2 wrote:QUOTE (Gandalf2 @ Apr 17 2013, 10:30 AM) Sometimes your ignorance, aggression and bias is stunning Adept. The Bible has been kept out of this thread (and that's for the good of the thread) but you can't resist bashing Christianity can you?

Eh? It was Vortog who posted to link to I Cor 7 ... which, even I was mystified, because Paul's teaching there is that Christians should avoid marriage, if possible, so as to be more devoted to the work of God, made more urgent now because of the immanency of the eschaton. In Paul's view, marriage is not an inherently good thing, but a lesser evil to be endured in exchange of the greater evil of sexual immorality. Sort of sets Gen 2:18 on its ear, but anyways ...

I really didn't see where Vortog was going by citing that passage. Maybe he was going for I Cor 13 and missed?

Mastametz · Post by **Mastametz** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:13 pm

I'm going to start trying to communicate based on one-word language as to not discriminate.

This word will be "oog".

Sundance_ · Post by **Sundance_** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:25 pm

Sheriff Metz wrote:QUOTE (Sheriff Metz @ Apr 17 2013, 01:13 PM) I'm going to start trying to communicate based on one-word language as to not discriminate.

This word will be "oog".

I look forward to our next Mumble contact...