Prop 8 Oral Arguments

Vortrog · Post by **Vortrog** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:16 pm

Masta's post helps reinforce my opinion that we are all so self serving and 'want only what I want' that we are on the brink of or already in social collapse. Mainly from the point of view of the family unit and parents actually committing to each other and the family instead of thinking its a romantic thing but then when the going gets tough, $#@! off and do their own thing.

Old rules might be bad rules, religion might be the root of all evil, and commitment might sound like a death sentence but at least they serve for the basis of a functioning society.

I am reminded about my Coaching of under 8 rugby. All the kids know they should be tackling, are happy to tackle a bag but really dislike tackling because it is hard and they could get hurt. They cannt get motivated to do it with their cushy little mummy boy lives until some big rough kid stomps them into the ground and then it is game on. Society needs a good stomping in the ground to get back with the program of the humanities and less selfishness. First world problems are doing my head in. Hell, a politician over here is trying to get tax rates lowered for professional sportpeople because they 'pleasure society and have short careers' when our government is failing with real policies affecting the nation.

Actually, considering the nature of my parents generation who are starting to depart this planet as a result of the horrors of WW2, a good war on home soil should do it (as it did for them, hell, my uncle was given a pair of US army boots in Germany in the middle of winter of '45 while running around in sandals and it was the best day of his life...did he care about gay marriage or be allowed to breast feed in public or suing a lifeguard for not posting a sign saying shallow water when it was like 1m from the beach?). Politicians and all minority groups should be in the vanguard and those that survive might be a little more appreciative of what we did have before people starting fighting for little things that affect them individually instead of the collective human race.

Just because you can, doesnt mean you should.

oh, as for gay marriage, just call it something else but with the same legal rights, even though these shouldnt even be necessary if people actually commit to what it means.

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:35 am

metz really is an effective troll, isn't he

Camaro · Post by **Camaro** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:47 am

I say eliminate State recognition of Marriage altogether. Grant "civil unions" instead to anyone who wants to make sure inheritances and social security and whatnot are legally bound to another.

Everyone both simultaneously loses and wins and its all equal.

Case closed.

I don't see where the Federal Government has any authority to recognize marriage or discriminate based on it anyways... because that is pretty much all the Feds do with it aside from Social Security and whatnot.

raumvogel · Post by **raumvogel** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:59 am

Broodwich wrote:QUOTE (Broodwich @ Mar 27 2013, 05:01 PM) Anyone want to bet on what happens first: we legalize gay marriage or agri stops posting starving african children

Is it oral or anal? The argument continues.

During WW][ the global population was 2 billion...it's 7 billion today.

guitarism · Post by **guitarism** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:30 am

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Mar 27 2013, 09:47 PM) I don't see where the Federal Government has any authority to recognize marriage or discriminate based on it anyways... because that is pretty much all the Feds do with it aside from Social Security and whatnot.

Money. Lots and lots of money

MrChaos · Post by **MrChaos** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:54 am

Camaro wrote:QUOTE (Camaro @ Mar 27 2013, 09:47 PM) I say eliminate State recognition of Marriage altogether. Grant "civil unions" instead to anyone who wants to make sure inheritances and social security and whatnot are legally bound to another.

Everyone both simultaneously loses and wins and its all equal.

Case closed.

I don't see where the Federal Government has any authority to recognize marriage or discriminate based on it anyways... because that is pretty much all the Feds do with it aside from Social Security and whatnot.

I'm always uneasy deciding who is the douche bag in these kinds of morale debates no matter how sure I am it is the knuckle dragging ignoramus spewing ignorant troll filled nonsense... cause he probably agrees with the personality profile just not who it fits.

Said a different way; views that differ from your moral compass do not automatically make them ignorant and you enlightened. The argument that geographic area is a good criteria for deciding the answer to "where is the douche bag" game included in this blather btw

MrChaos agreeing by disagreeing since 2214 AD

Post by **zombywoof** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:42 am

DOMA is even more of a cluster$#@!. The petitioner's attorney got @#(! on by the justices.

Kopperhead · Post by **Kopperhead** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:46 am

The main problem here as we all know is that the state tries to regulate something that socially affects its very foundation, marriage and how it develops affects a country directly in present and more importantly in the future, yet at the same the state tries to tell us what or who we can love and live with...

That's a different venue altogether, the ruling power may tell me who can I marry under an acceptted common and present society window but in the frigging universe and under the stars it's not going to tell me who can I love, ever.

To infinite and beyond.

For everything else, mastercard.

If I ever show up at my parents' with a mixed race girl, the ones I actually like more, I know my mom will blackout straight at the door...

That was made possible by this society rules, in fact women preserve machism and racism much better that men, they are the ones who actually instill values and purpouse in kids upbringing.

Begin to look around with your heart, not your eyes, everything is possible.

AND $#@! OFF GOVERNMENTS IF THEY TRY TO TELL US WHOM TO LOVE!!!

Post by **Raveen** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:52 am

Going off on a bit of a tangent but I hope you'll all bear with me:

I find it interesting how the equal gay marriage debate has advanced in the last 2-3 years. Of course there was always an undercurrent and general feeling that it would be a good thing (for those in favour anyway) but it wasn't a major issue on anyone's agenda. Then suddenly, after getting civil unions in the UK possibly and some movement in the States it's started to be a real talking point. The USA is debating it, the UK is debating it (and doing it) Scotland is doing it because, why the $#@! not?. The french are debating it and so on and so forth.

Regardless of the outcome now there's a sense of inevitability on the whole subject. It is going to happen whether the conservatives like it or not.

Kopperhead · Post by **Kopperhead** » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:58 am

I wish the powers understood some matters is better to leave open ended and approached with openmindedness...

Else this isn't going to be funny.