who said this

[pkk]

QUOTE (Papsmear @ Jan 28 2013, 04:34 AM) Not sure on what the Polish did to help out Britain but from what I've read the Canadians where invaluable in both WWI & WWII.

I think they helped as much as they could:

Canada, not occupied: 1.1 million served
Poland, occupied by Nazi Germany/Soviet Union: 0.25 million served (Polish Armed Forces in the West (wiki))

[MrChaos]

Canada had almost no armed forces at the outbreak of the war, and almost 3/4 of their forces stayed in Canada throughout the WWII. It was mutual strategy with England that Canada would defend North America, and a wish not to repeat the the WWI conscription problem amongst the francophone population rather then some lack of balls. They declared war on Japan on the same day as the US for example, U boats operated in their waters, the Japanese fire ballons actually made it onto their land.

There was a real problem addressing a profound need for weapons. Canada made the decision to depend on English style weapons in the mid30s given the idea that a war with England meant a war with Canada too. Unfortunately there was no real oppurtunity to spool up their military via direct English shipment and early days the English arms manufactures told them to pound sand regarding blue prints and making them in Canada. Canada basically mobilized from no army to biggun during the course of the war amd by coincidence didn't really get jiggy with it until around the time of the US involvement. Again it was a lack of an army at the start, ways to equip it, being defenders of North America and an emphasis on giving to England first then themselves second. When the US stopped supporting the Allies from afar and got going directly it freed up a significant portion of Canada's armed forces to go get themselves killed over in Europe and Asia so we can all argue about who was the most bad ass today while insulting the others they died fighting and/or protecting

This WWII stuff always gets everyone's patriotic panties in a wad. I find it interesting to read in the Stranger in a Strange Land monkey house story arc (when Valentine Michael Smith finally learns to laugh and grok humans) sort of way.

[HSharp]

If you ever go to Flanders there is a nice Canadian-Polish war museum.

But in regards to Battle of Britain there is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-British_p...ttle_of_Britain

[MrChaos]

QUOTE (HSharp @ Jan 28 2013, 06:31 AM) If you ever go to Flanders there is a nice Canadian-Polish war museum.

Yah noes meeps old shoe I begin to wonder if *points upward*

and

1.
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.


2.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Someone had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.


3.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.


4.
Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air,
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.


5.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.


6.
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honor the charge they made,
Honor the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred

and

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields

about the effects of it in a nutshell

[raumvogel]

QUOTE (ryjamsan @ Jan 27 2013, 12:35 AM) The point of the post was to show what a leader is and what we are lacking in the world today. At least in my humble opinion.

Thanks for the honest and on topic anwsers. I await some to tell me to stfu and ride my jet skiis

Lol
PS As I read and learn more about WSC I find him more awesome and amazing. His leadership saved a great nation and a world.

The leaders of that era would roll in their graves to see the world today...Except Adolf, Benito, Tojo and Stalin....they'd be laughing.

[Spunkmeyer]

QUOTE (Papsmear @ Jan 27 2013, 09:34 PM) Not sure on what the Polish did to help out Britain but from what I've read the Canadians where invaluable in both WWI & WWII.

I'm sure Terran would find a Spitfire to go whore around in being entirely useless... there are always exceptions.

[that_bloke]

QUOTE (Spunkmeyer @ Jan 28 2013, 04:53 PM) I'm sure Terran would find a Spitfire to go whore around in being entirely useless... there are always exceptions.

Essentially what this guy did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Beurling

Famous and brilliant Canadian fighter pilot, one of the great "fighters" if not necessarily a studied tactician. A lot like Werner Voss for you ww1 fans.

[Broodwich]

QUOTE (Papsmear @ Jan 27 2013, 07:34 PM) Not sure on what the Polish did to help out Britain but from what I've read the Canadians where invaluable in both WWI & WWII.

The Poles were the most effective pilots Britain had during the battle. Not only were they highly trained prior to the invasion of Poland, but they were the survivors of that grossly one sided aerial battle. Their tactics were far superior too, being very similar to the German's organization. It took quite a while for the British to officially adopt the same tactics. The Poles were quite the heroes during the war, in fact British pilots would fake Polish accents to try to pick up bitches in the clubs
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-British_personnel_in_the_RAF_during_the_Battle_of_Britain#Polish_contribution

Now, can you tell me who said "One Polish pilot is worth three French pilots?"

[Cadillac]

+1 to MrC's last post.

This thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IOO-xQ_Vew

Note to Ryjam: THIS VIDEO IS SATIRE.

It is an easy task for generals and politicians to be seen as heroes in war and an even more menial task to glorify them in retrospect after the battle is won.

I don't disrespect them or their accomplishments; I'm merely throwing a different perspective to light. There's always the danger of excessive glorification of wartime leaders (and national heroes in general) and the need for extolling their virtues whilst brushing over their faults, trying to make them seem more than simply human.

Insinuating that the world would be better off with them (or people like them) in power today is an extraordinarily ignorant, simplistic and moronic statement and shows a stark lack of understanding when it comes to societal and other changes that have happened over the last 70 years.

Now to illustrate my point, and again no judgement passed on Churchill on my part, here is another quote from the man in 1937:

“I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”

QUOTE (raumvogel @ Jan 28 2013, 02:32 PM) The leaders of that era would roll in their graves to see the world today...Except Adolf, Benito, Tojo and Stalin....they'd be laughing.

Again, this is the kind of statement I despise. It's facile and nonsensical.

[Viscur]

Well this should finally get interesting....