Nuclear fuel has melted through base of Fukushima plant
QUOTE The nuclear fuel in three of the reactors at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant has melted through the base of the pressure vessels and is pooling in the outer containment vessels, according to a report by the Japanese government...
...The pressure vessel of the No. 1 reactor is now believed to have suffered damage just five hours after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, contrary to an estimation released by Tepco, which estimated the failure at 15 hours later.
Melt-downs of the fuel in the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors followed over the following days with the molten fuel collecting at the bottom of the pressure vessels before burning through and into the external steel containment vessels.[/quote]
Frigging lunatics. They must have known they have multiple melting cores in their hands. Spraying water from fire engines on top of a reactor in meltdown is sick joke.
There are good things about the japanese society, but this soviet style knee-jerk reaction for not admitting how bad things are is definitely not one of them.
Still remember Fukushima?
Article: The report comes after Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency doubled its initial estimate of the amount of radioactivity that was released from the plant in the days immediately after it was destroyed by the tsunami.
In early April, the agency said some 370,000 terabecquerels escaped from the facility. It now believes that figure was 770,000 terabecquerels. One terabecquerel is a trillion becquerels, the standard measure of radiation, while the permissible level of iodine-131 for vegetables and fish is 2,000 becquerels per kilogram
oh numbers! About double the initial estimates but doubling a portion of mash potatos is *meh* doubling the blast radius is *oh @#(!* and this is *gasp* radiation stuff. Let's run'em
370,000,000,000 kg -> 370,000,000 metric tons of "acceptable" levels of bad touch radiation
A whale weighs about 185 tons and there about 12,000 of them ( holy @#(! just 12,000) 2,200,000 metric tons availible
Now right there you've knocked back the issue by almost 10% and all you have to do is capture every whale in existence, get them to eat the radiation, and there will be no harmful effects to anyone.
Yes! This is how to solve it, get animals, the lazy ungrateful buggers to pull their weight and help solve the after effects.
~yp problem solved, after lunch I'm going run some numbers about the world's hunger problem via woodchippers and canabalism... just taking a page out of the beef industry playbook
edit: oopsie 770,000,000,000,000 is the number now... hmmmmmm got it and this way the society can help out too! Click hereand replace sugar with radiation.
I am a deep thinker!
In early April, the agency said some 370,000 terabecquerels escaped from the facility. It now believes that figure was 770,000 terabecquerels. One terabecquerel is a trillion becquerels, the standard measure of radiation, while the permissible level of iodine-131 for vegetables and fish is 2,000 becquerels per kilogram
oh numbers! About double the initial estimates but doubling a portion of mash potatos is *meh* doubling the blast radius is *oh @#(!* and this is *gasp* radiation stuff. Let's run'em
370,000,000,000 kg -> 370,000,000 metric tons of "acceptable" levels of bad touch radiation
A whale weighs about 185 tons and there about 12,000 of them ( holy @#(! just 12,000) 2,200,000 metric tons availible
Now right there you've knocked back the issue by almost 10% and all you have to do is capture every whale in existence, get them to eat the radiation, and there will be no harmful effects to anyone.
Yes! This is how to solve it, get animals, the lazy ungrateful buggers to pull their weight and help solve the after effects.
~yp problem solved, after lunch I'm going run some numbers about the world's hunger problem via woodchippers and canabalism... just taking a page out of the beef industry playbook
edit: oopsie 770,000,000,000,000 is the number now... hmmmmmm got it and this way the society can help out too! Click hereand replace sugar with radiation.
I am a deep thinker!
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Before you go ragging on the Japanese, take a look at this level of fortitude and civic piety:
Japanese Seniors volunteer for Fukushima "Suicide Corps"
[quote=""The Article""]STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Yasuteru Yamada hopes his Skilled Veterans Corps can help end the nuclear crisis
* The 250-strong group has volunteered to work in the contaminated Fukushima plant
* They say cells of an older person's body divide more slowly than a younger individual
* TEPCO says the plant currently has enough workers to control the crisis
Tokyo (CNN) -- Up a narrow flight of stairs in a modest, non-descript office building, three retirees sit in a cramped room, hunched over their computers and mobile phones. They look like the planning committee for a neighborhood senior breakfast, not the leaders of a 250-member team attempting to defuse one of the worst nuclear meltdowns in history.
But that's exactly what 72-year-old Yasuteru Yamada hopes his seniors group, the Skilled Veterans Corps, will do: help end the crisis at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
The group, consisting only of retirees age 60 and up, says it is uniquely poised to work at the radiation-contaminated plant, as the cells of an older person's body divide more slowly than a younger individual.
"We have to work instead of them," says Yamada, referring to the estimated 1,000 workers currently at the nuclear plant. "Elders have less sensitivity to radiation. Therefore, we have to work."
Yamada is a former engineer for Sumitomo Metal Industries Ltd. and offers decades of experience, he says. A cancer survivor, Yamada says he values his life but wants to make a difference in the years he has left.
Yamada pauses as his mobile phone rings. He pops out his hearing aids to answer. Another call from the news media, he says, as he excuses himself briefly.
Reporters from around the globe have called daily since Yamada announced the existence of his group.
They, including this reporter, are calling because of what the prime minister's special adviser to the nuclear crisis publicly dubbed them, the "suicide corps." Goshi Hosono, at a news conference last week, told reporters that while the government was grateful for the offer, there is no immediate need for the elderly volunteers.
Masaaki Takahashi, 65, bristles at the name Hosono gave his team. "I want them to stop calling us the 'suicide corps' or kamikazes," he says. "We're doing nothing special. I simply think I have to do something and I can't allow just young people to do this."
Takahashi is currently tasked with logging the names of donors and volunteers. He says there are more than 900 donors and 250 able-bodied seniors who want to don the white radiation suits and enter the grounds of the plant.
The reasons driving their desire to volunteer vary, according to the group, but none include a wish to die.
Kazuko Sasaki, 69, the co-founder of the group, says she has a number of personal reasons why she wants to work at the plant. "My generation, the old generation, promoted the nuclear plants. If we don't take responsibility, who will?"
But Sasaki is also pragmatic about the risks an older person is willing to take versus someone younger.
"When we were younger, we never thought of death. But death becomes familiar as we get older.
"We have a feeling that death is waiting for us. This doesn't mean I want to die. But we become less afraid of death, as we get older."
Sasaki also says a 30-year old exposed to radiation at the crippled plant might get cancer at 35 or 40. At her age, she'd be 75 or 80, and might have gotten cancer anyway, she says.
The owner of the nuclear plant, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), tells CNN it is thankful for the offer from the seniors group. But it says they currently have enough workers to control the crisis.
But if Hikaru Tagawa is any indication, the plant is having trouble luring employees to the facility. Tagawa is a former temporary worker at Fukushima who lived just a few miles away, an area that is now a mandatory evacuation zone.
When CNN met Tagawa, he was living at an evacuation center near Tokyo.
"Nothing can make me go back to work there," he says, as his young daughter played nearby. He points out he has two young children and calls the levels of radiation "too dangerous."
Whether the concerns of a worker shortage or the public arguments from the seniors, the same government point man, who called the group a "suicide corps" now appears to be less resistant to the idea.
"I met the leader of the group and we've started a discussion, looking for any possible, practical next step," Hosono said in a news conference Monday.
Yamada also says he has met with Hosono. But he believes his group will be working at the plant soon. The reason is simple, he says. "They need us."[/quote]
Since fast neutrons can go through LOTS AND LOTS of lead shielding (we usually slow them down with a mediator such as water) there is ~*NO*~ level of portable shielding possible to prevent fast neutron penetration, which will make the VERY BONES of these people radioactive with secondary particle emissions.
That means EVERY SINGLE CLEANUP WORKER IS GOING TO DIE OF RADIATION POISONING and moreover, they'll have to be sequestered until they die once they've gone in or else their bones will give OTHER people radiation poisoning just because they were inside.
Japanese Seniors volunteer for Fukushima "Suicide Corps"
[quote=""The Article""]STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* Yasuteru Yamada hopes his Skilled Veterans Corps can help end the nuclear crisis
* The 250-strong group has volunteered to work in the contaminated Fukushima plant
* They say cells of an older person's body divide more slowly than a younger individual
* TEPCO says the plant currently has enough workers to control the crisis
Tokyo (CNN) -- Up a narrow flight of stairs in a modest, non-descript office building, three retirees sit in a cramped room, hunched over their computers and mobile phones. They look like the planning committee for a neighborhood senior breakfast, not the leaders of a 250-member team attempting to defuse one of the worst nuclear meltdowns in history.
But that's exactly what 72-year-old Yasuteru Yamada hopes his seniors group, the Skilled Veterans Corps, will do: help end the crisis at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.
The group, consisting only of retirees age 60 and up, says it is uniquely poised to work at the radiation-contaminated plant, as the cells of an older person's body divide more slowly than a younger individual.
"We have to work instead of them," says Yamada, referring to the estimated 1,000 workers currently at the nuclear plant. "Elders have less sensitivity to radiation. Therefore, we have to work."
Yamada is a former engineer for Sumitomo Metal Industries Ltd. and offers decades of experience, he says. A cancer survivor, Yamada says he values his life but wants to make a difference in the years he has left.
Yamada pauses as his mobile phone rings. He pops out his hearing aids to answer. Another call from the news media, he says, as he excuses himself briefly.
Reporters from around the globe have called daily since Yamada announced the existence of his group.
They, including this reporter, are calling because of what the prime minister's special adviser to the nuclear crisis publicly dubbed them, the "suicide corps." Goshi Hosono, at a news conference last week, told reporters that while the government was grateful for the offer, there is no immediate need for the elderly volunteers.
Masaaki Takahashi, 65, bristles at the name Hosono gave his team. "I want them to stop calling us the 'suicide corps' or kamikazes," he says. "We're doing nothing special. I simply think I have to do something and I can't allow just young people to do this."
Takahashi is currently tasked with logging the names of donors and volunteers. He says there are more than 900 donors and 250 able-bodied seniors who want to don the white radiation suits and enter the grounds of the plant.
The reasons driving their desire to volunteer vary, according to the group, but none include a wish to die.
Kazuko Sasaki, 69, the co-founder of the group, says she has a number of personal reasons why she wants to work at the plant. "My generation, the old generation, promoted the nuclear plants. If we don't take responsibility, who will?"
But Sasaki is also pragmatic about the risks an older person is willing to take versus someone younger.
"When we were younger, we never thought of death. But death becomes familiar as we get older.
"We have a feeling that death is waiting for us. This doesn't mean I want to die. But we become less afraid of death, as we get older."
Sasaki also says a 30-year old exposed to radiation at the crippled plant might get cancer at 35 or 40. At her age, she'd be 75 or 80, and might have gotten cancer anyway, she says.
The owner of the nuclear plant, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), tells CNN it is thankful for the offer from the seniors group. But it says they currently have enough workers to control the crisis.
But if Hikaru Tagawa is any indication, the plant is having trouble luring employees to the facility. Tagawa is a former temporary worker at Fukushima who lived just a few miles away, an area that is now a mandatory evacuation zone.
When CNN met Tagawa, he was living at an evacuation center near Tokyo.
"Nothing can make me go back to work there," he says, as his young daughter played nearby. He points out he has two young children and calls the levels of radiation "too dangerous."
Whether the concerns of a worker shortage or the public arguments from the seniors, the same government point man, who called the group a "suicide corps" now appears to be less resistant to the idea.
"I met the leader of the group and we've started a discussion, looking for any possible, practical next step," Hosono said in a news conference Monday.
Yamada also says he has met with Hosono. But he believes his group will be working at the plant soon. The reason is simple, he says. "They need us."[/quote]
Since fast neutrons can go through LOTS AND LOTS of lead shielding (we usually slow them down with a mediator such as water) there is ~*NO*~ level of portable shielding possible to prevent fast neutron penetration, which will make the VERY BONES of these people radioactive with secondary particle emissions.
That means EVERY SINGLE CLEANUP WORKER IS GOING TO DIE OF RADIATION POISONING and moreover, they'll have to be sequestered until they die once they've gone in or else their bones will give OTHER people radiation poisoning just because they were inside.
Omnia Mutantur, Nihil Interit.In other words, nobody wins. And Japan is going to be requesting aid.
"Why go out and fight a war and have your men die when you can get your neighbor to send his men out there to die for you?"
"Why go out and fight a war and have your men die when you can get your neighbor to send his men out there to die for you?"
A hero is not one who never falls, but one who gets up again and again, NEVER losing sight of one's dream!
Should be the new NATO motto.Elzam V. Branstein wrote:QUOTE (Elzam V. Branstein @ Jun 11 2011, 12:46 PM) "Why go out and fight a war and have your men die when you can get your neighbor to send his men out there to die for you?"
MrChaos to Sharpfish wrote:QUOTE (MrChaos to Sharpfish @ Oct 2 2011, 08:55 AM) Damn there went my hope you died in a couch fire.
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_SRM_Nuke wrote:QUOTE (_SRM_Nuke @ Jun 11 2011, 12:10 PM) Should be the new NATO motto.
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I remember thinking at the start of the disaster that it's being blown out of proportion by the anti-nuke crowd, and that it probably wasn't as bad in reality as people were making it out to be. It seems I was quite mistaken, unfortunately.
It's still worth remembering that the tsunami itself still overshadowed the nuclear disaster, and that given the world's growing power demands combined with a need to limit greenhouse gas emissions, this should be taken as a lesson to plan and manage nuclear power plants better, rather than to stop building them altogether (as many now wish to do).
It's still worth remembering that the tsunami itself still overshadowed the nuclear disaster, and that given the world's growing power demands combined with a need to limit greenhouse gas emissions, this should be taken as a lesson to plan and manage nuclear power plants better, rather than to stop building them altogether (as many now wish to do).