Suggestion: Target Support

juckto · Post by **juckto** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:28 am

I wish there was a targeting button in the same vein as "target bomber", "target constructor", "target base" that cycled through:
*Scouts
*Carriers
*Cap ships which don't kill bases (assault ship, corvette, etc)

Scenarios where it would be useful:
*When they're int bombing, so I can find the next nan instead of "Closest enemy" insisting on showing me ints.
*When I'm defending a carrier, need to rearm but got disorientated.
*When I want to target a cap ship normally the "target bomber" works great, except when the ship doesn't set off the "bomber" tag.

Spunkmeyer · Post by **Spunkmeyer** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:35 am

juckto wrote:QUOTE (juckto @ Oct 17 2010, 11:28 PM) I wish there was a targeting button in the same vein as "target bomber", "target constructor", "target base" that cycled through:
*Scouts
*Carriers
*Cap ships which don't kill bases (assault ship, corvette, etc)

Big problem with targeting buttons is too many keys.

But it doesn't have to be. If there were a "priority list" then the same, say "enemy" or "friendly" key could cycle through different target types. Example:

Friendly:
1-Constructor
2-Bomber/Caps
3-Carrier
4-Miner

Enemy
1-Miner
2-Constructor
3-Bomber/Caps
4-Scouts

Most of the time only one of those would trigger and it'd skip the rest. You could have the usual closest, next, previous modifiers on the shift keys.

Then set it up however you want.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:51 am

Like many others I tried looking for "target scout" to make killing nanites quicker, only to find out that ints, figs, scouts, etc. are all "fighters".

It's not convenient for whoring, but I think it's actually good that we can't make killing nans in the furball any easier.

juckto · Post by **juckto** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:24 am

There's plenty of keys left on my keyboard with no function. I'd happily sacrifice one for 'target support' - it doesn't have to be a convenient key, after all.

Yeah, targeting scouts probably would affect game balance, probably cut that.

Still, I'd like to be able to target carriers and non-base killing caps. "Target Capital Support"?

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:47 am

juckto wrote:QUOTE (juckto @ Oct 18 2010, 09:24 AM) Still, I'd like to be able to target carriers and non-base killing caps. "Target Capital Support"?

I'd even settle for a "Target capital ship" in this era of destroyer pwnage.

madpeople · Post by **madpeople** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:36 am

There isn't anything in the core to indicate to the game that one ship is a scout and another is a sf.

You can do things like: ship is a small rip reciever, ship has docking ports, ship requires a large garage (SY) to dock.
While you can technically do things like anything with a scan range >X in an attempt to only get scouts you will also get ADV sfs with scan GAs, capships and also other things as cores change.
You can also technically do things like if name contains "Scout" but that is really dirty dirty bad practise, though it would work quite well.

Now, if the targeting rules could be set locally in an external text file, then you could do dirty things like detecting by name because if cores change users can change their files - the core devs aren't restricted by the code.

Adaven · Post by **Adaven** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:36 am

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Oct 18 2010, 04:36 AM) Now, if the targeting rules could be set locally in an external text file, then you could do dirty things like detecting by name because if cores change users can change their files - the core devs aren't restricted by the code.

I have always dreamt of a "target spidey" button.

lexaal · Post by **lexaal** » Sat Oct 23, 2010 8:15 am

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Oct 18 2010, 11:36 AM) There isn't anything in the core to indicate to the game that one ship is a scout and another is a sf.

Ship can mount a nan? -> scout, or something else that can nan.
Ship has a nan mounted -> scout, or something else that is nanning.

madpeople · Post by **madpeople** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:52 pm

lexaal wrote:QUOTE (lexaal @ Oct 23 2010, 09:15 AM) Ship can mount a nan? -> scout, or something else that can nan.
Ship has a nan mounted -> scout, or something else that is nanning.

Well, you can't specify a precice weapon in the code. But specifying "Target ship with a weapon_that_does_negative_damage_after_modifiers monted" is reasonable.

LANS · Post by **LANS** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:09 pm

Well, all you need is a target scout button unless you are playing against belters, in which case pretty much everything is a nan. I see a problem with this for belters heavy intbombing - some of the ints will be nans, and some will be there to pod the defense, and thus won't be carrying nans. Being able to target ships equipped with nans only vs. having to watch who is doing what and pick targets based on who looks like they are nanning gives an advantage to the defenders over the current system.

It would be nice for a "target friendly carrier" button, or "target capital ship" so you can target non-basekilling caps.