Motivation...

OTDT_Hunter · Post by **OTDT_Hunter** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:36 pm

Now your computer will explode.

Post by **pkk** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:44 pm

Tigereye wrote:QUOTE (Tigereye @ Aug 22 2010, 08:17 PM) A perfect example is FreeBeer taking over the helpline. The only interaction I had was saying "Just make sure he knows that once he goes ZL it's tough to go back to playing for fun. Everyone will look at him differently and will hate him just because they can. if he's still fine with it, then so be it"

Yeah, he was one of two active member of the current helpline team (beauty, inactive since March; Grimm, inactive since January; Immz, inactive since June; ogorass, inactive since mid July), perfect example how it should work.

Tigereye wrote:QUOTE (Tigereye @ Aug 22 2010, 08:17 PM) It seems this is a common misconception about the structure here which is driving a lot of the emotions. Bard tried to clear it up earlier in this thread.
The ZLs are in charge of the community.
I am in charge of some computers.

Let me quote:
QUOTE [23:14] <@Bard|Out> yeah
[23:14] <@Bard|Out> that's what I thought
[23:14] <@Bard|Out> no go there
[23:14] <@Bard|Out> it will never be permitted
[23:14] <ImagoWork> wait, what?
[23:14] <@Bard|Out> best to wait for CSS
[23:14] <ImagoWork> $#@! that you dont usderstand
[23:14] <ImagoWork> LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR FOR YOU
[23:14] <@Bard|Out> try explaining it to TE then[/quote]
For me it looks like Bard (a ZL) thinks, you are the highest authority.

Tigereye wrote:QUOTE (Tigereye @ Aug 22 2010, 08:17 PM) We were all really grasping at straws to find a replacement until Bard threw his name into the pool.

Wait, how can someone nominate himself for ZL, if ZLs discuss this behind closed doors?!

Sounds like these doors open for some chosen people (some kind of inner circle) and closed for all others?!

madpeople · Post by **madpeople** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:17 pm

fuzzylunkin1 wrote:QUOTE (fuzzylunkin1 @ Aug 22 2010, 07:30 PM) I have donated $25 to a charity of Imago's choice.

AWESOME!

So Allegiance is going to get a bug fixed AND $25 has gone to improve the life of a dying child.

THREAD SUCCESS!

*applauds fuzzy*
*laughs at those who said this thread has no value*

CharlieTester · Post by **CharlieTester** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:27 pm

Post by **TheBored** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:44 pm

pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Aug 22 2010, 02:44 PM) Wait, how can someone nominate himself for ZL, if ZLs discuss this behind closed doors?!

Sounds like these doors open for some chosen people (some kind of inner circle) and closed for all others?!

By sending a PM. The whole community knew there was no Dev ZL. Bard simply sent a PM saying, "Since nothing is happening, I'll throw my name in". TE (IIRC) told the ZLs that Bard would be interested. The rest is history.

There is no "inner circle" of people outside of the ZLs that can view the ZL forum.

TB

Post by **pkk** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:59 pm

TheBored wrote:QUOTE (TheBored @ Aug 22 2010, 09:44 PM) There is no "inner circle" of people outside of the ZLs that can view the ZL forum.

Of course there is one:
So why are aarmstrong and adam4 having access?! Are they ZLs of two unknown Zones?!

Edit:
Added screenshot.

Post by **TheBored** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:17 pm

Apologies, that's my fault. I like to give outgoing ZLs a chance to transition out, so I leave the access for a couple of weeks. Since both of them left and stopped posting altogether, I completely forgot

Adam hasn't posted once since his departure thread. Aarmstrong hasn't posted since Feb 16, 2009. Hopefully you can see that this is a pretty lame "inner circle".

EDIT: Both have been removed.

TB

Andon · Post by **Andon** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:24 pm

Aarm's the ZL of the Inactivity Zone

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:07 pm

Tigereye wrote:QUOTE (Tigereye @ Aug 22 2010, 11:20 AM) Okay okay okay everyone who's still reading this, let's all remember one thing:
we're on the same side.
We all love Allegiance, and we all want the best things for it. I realize that some people are driving this "us vs them" mentality in these topics, and frankly that is the root cause of all of this unnecessary drama because WE ARE YOU and you are us.

Tigereye wrote:QUOTE (Tigereye @ Dec 4 2009, 08:27 PM) if you prefer, we can end the audit and return back to our regularly scheduled roles of administrator and community member

--TE

Who is fostering the us vs. them mentality again?

pkk wrote:QUOTE (pkk @ Aug 22 2010, 01:44 PM) For me it looks like Bard (a ZL) thinks, you are the highest authority.

I think that's a pretty common thing. If you ask a ZL, they will say they are the ultimate authority in their "zone", but in reality, they check with TE before they scratch their butt. Anyone who says otherwise is just using wishful thinking.

And I'm sure TE wants it to be that way, but currently it isn't. Not enough things are automated, and not enough of the ZLs actually know what they're doing.. they're simply those deemed trustworthy.

I will say I was pleased when I heard Bard was going to be the Dev ZL, but I think he has yet to prove himself, and he's had months thus far. He's far too concerned about what TE and TB want him to do.

Pos_21 · Post by **Pos_21** » Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:02 pm

When the Dev ZL owns the box we're all talking on, then you can expect them to act autonomously.

Until then they're making changes on someone else's box. Generally as the lessee you contact the landlord before you start knocking out walls in their building.

Also,

madpeople wrote:QUOTE (madpeople @ Aug 22 2010, 02:17 PM) AWESOME!

So Allegiance is going to get a bug fixed AND $25 has gone to improve the life of a dying child.

THREAD SUCCESS!

*applauds fuzzy*
*laughs at those who said this thread has no value*

I can't even begin to fathom how you can consider this a good thing.