Rix heavy scouts

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:47 pm

It's just as cheap for Bios and Belts to get adv tech as it is for them to get heavy scouts so im not sure what you point is, let's nerf bombers because it's cheap for Belts and they are quite likely to get it?

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:52 pm

Why should a Heavy Scout be able to put out that amount of firepower is my point.

As far as I can see your argument is "heavy scouts should be able to kill a miner in 5 seconds because they cost 40k"

A scout is a SCOUT. Not a super fast miner/con killing device.

Also please stop throwing around ADV Tech and Heavy Scouts for Bios and Belts like they are mutually exclusive and you can only get one because that is rubbish.

In fact EVEN including the cost of the Tech Base in heavy scouts is dubious in itself because Heavy Scouts are there to AUGMENT your tech path - not be their own. Shocking to you voobs I know.

I honestly can't believe I just needed to explain that

p.s. I think Heavy Scouts are fine but they should ditch QL missiles imo. Everything else about them is just right (even rix)

Drizzo · Post by **Drizzo** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:58 pm

When did BIOS adv and hvy scouts start costing 7.5 and 10k respectively? What the $#@!?

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:59 pm

Stop trying to think of heavy scouts as traditional weak scouts, fine as an augment to most techpaths it still costs your around 27.5k to get heavy scouts, money which you could also put into a 2nd techpath.

The hint is in the name, HEAVY scouts, that is why they get thier QL missile perks instead of having to just rely on expanded missile capacity and 1 gunmount. Also heavy scouts don't solo miners incredibly quickly unless they have a turret gunner as well, an adv fig can shred a miner faster then a solo heavy scout.

Valiance · Post by **Valiance** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:02 pm

i thought bios had half price research, but maybe thats just tech (like weapons and g.as)

Drizzo · Post by **Drizzo** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:05 pm

Everything is half priced, Sharp isn't IB.

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:05 pm

Hey I just got my numbers from TEK

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:09 pm

Drizzo wrote:QUOTE (Drizzo @ Apr 9 2009, 12:58 PM) When did BIOS adv and hvy scouts start costing 7.5 and 10k respectively? What the $#@!?

HSharp is an expert in the matter of scouts! Question him at your PERIL

HSharp wrote:QUOTE (HSharp @ Apr 9 2009, 12:59 PM) Stop trying to think of heavy scouts as traditional weak scouts, fine as an augment to most techpaths it still costs your around 27.5k to get heavy scouts, money which you could also put into a 2nd techpath.

The hint is in the name, HEAVY scouts, that is why they get thier QL missile perks instead of having to just rely on expanded missile capacity and 1 gunmount. Also heavy scouts don't solo miners incredibly quickly unless they have a turret gunner as well, an adv fig can shred a miner faster then a solo heavy scout.

I'm sorry but you don't think a Scout that has a mini ac/4 missiles a rack/front gun/2 prox/4minepacks is Heavy enough?

Heavy scouts are hardier with a larger payload and you want them to be able to do their dps at a higher rate with QL missiles?

Your logic is tenuous at best. A Bios heavy scout can sneak up to a miner at a rock and dump 4 missiles in super fast uneyed and already be reloading to slip in behind it with a second salvo. What fig can d that? All heavy scouts can do this sort of fast dps while traveling faster and at a lower sig than any other ship all while having good scan range.

This makes me wonder if you have ever flown a heavy scout if you think they NEED QL missiles

HSharp · Post by **HSharp** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:17 pm

spideycw wrote:QUOTE (spideycw @ Apr 9 2009, 06:09 PM) I'm sorry but you don't think a Scout that has a mini ac/4 missiles a rack/front gun/2 prox/4minepacks is Heavy enough?

I do believe what I said was, an adv fig can shred a miner more quickly then a solo heavy scout.

Unless im doing tp2 drops I think paying 10k for an upgrade of 1 missile per rack and higher speed and lower sig is not really worth it, yes you get a mini-ac turret but I think having another heavy scout with QL's is more effective. I'm perfectly happy with dropping the turret and keeping QL's

spideycw · Post by **spideycw** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:23 pm

By solo heavy scout do you mean just one or one with no gunner?

My gut says a gunned heavy scout can kill a miner just about as fast as an Adv Fig assuming AC2 unless it is one of the few decent fig pilots