Wait a minute... so HELO imbalance dosen't actually count?

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:45 pm

Having earlier today witnessed a rather shameful stack-fest by one Ascalon_Rift (aka IronSeed), complete with commentary on how HELO doesn't mean anything when the eithty-something side finally triumphed over the twenty something side.

(You don't even want to know more specifics about the game.)

I was happy in my delusion that such sillyness wouldn't count, since the HELO imbalance has to mean that game doesn't count. Now I'm a bit shocked to learn that no such effect is active, and any win counts. Bloody ****! What sense does this make? /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" />

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:51 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 5 2007, 10:45 AM) Having earlier today witnessed a rather shameful stack-fest by one Ascalon_Rift (aka IronSeed), complete with commentary on how HELO doesn't mean anything when the eithty-something side finally triumphed over the twenty something side.

(You don't even want to know more specifics about the game.)

I was happy in my delusion that such sillyness wouldn't count, since the HELO imbalance has to mean that game doesn't count. Now I'm a bit shocked to learn that no such effect is active, and any win counts. Bloody ****! What sense does this make? /huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":huh:" border="0" alt="huh.gif" />

I think it just gives less points. They removed the "games not counting" after the ELO system evolved into HELO.

Here, let me get the pook blog about it. Wait for my edit.

Link: http://www.freeallegiance.org/forums/index...p;showentry=198

Hope that helps.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:18 pm

Thanks for the link.

Ultimately you win (stack or not) you get points. You lose (stack or not) you lose points.

Argh!

This causes a problem. I like to fly for the underdog, but if the situation is bad enough, that just makes me fodder for the stacker. Damn... /doh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doh:" border="0" alt="doh.gif" />

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:22 pm

Adept wrote:QUOTE (Adept @ Dec 5 2007, 11:18 AM) Thanks for the link.

Ultimately you win (stack or not) you get points. You lose (stack or not) you lose points.

Argh!

This causes a problem. I like to fly for the underdog, but if the situation is bad enough, that just makes me fodder for the stacker. Damn... /doh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":doh:" border="0" alt="doh.gif" />

....and why do you care about your or the stackers rank?

We all know its pointless and proves nothing. This is just one of the reasons why.

apathos · Post by **apathos** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:28 pm

To continue the never ending debate...as time goes on, those who stack will gain enough HELO that they can no longer join the stack side (or it will at least force them to split up more).

In the end, it all balances out, and we achieve HELO nirvana. May The Force be with you.

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:48 pm

Are we at the stage where autobalance is always on?

Ignore your rank, just play. People will recognize your skill regardless of your rank, and if they don't, that is good because you can whore them unsuspectingly.

besides, a lower HELO is good because it allows you to join whichever side you want /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:48 pm

takingarms1 wrote:QUOTE (takingarms1 @ Dec 5 2007, 06:48 PM) Are we at the stage where autobalance is always on?

Ignore your rank, just play. People will recognize your skill regardless of your rank, and if they don't, that is good because you can whore them unsuspectingly.

besides, a lower HELO is good because it allows you to join whichever side you want /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Yeah, but games like the one I saw today are not fun.

IronSeed's side had anly intermediate level gamers, King Arthur's side had all novices, including two newbies. All the talk about how the points don't mean anything withstanding, there's pretty much only one way that game will end.

No real challenge for the stacker side, and much frustration to the people new to the game. This is not good

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:49 pm

apathos wrote:QUOTE (apathos @ Dec 5 2007, 06:28 PM) To continue the never ending debate...as time goes on, those who stack will gain enough HELO that they can no longer join the stack side (or it will at least force them to split up more).

In the end, it all balances out, and we achieve HELO nirvana. May The Force be with you.

??? Except there is no actual effect in play that would give that effect, is there?

If some sort of HELO balancing was happening, then this would be true, but as it stands now... nothing.

Am I missing something?

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:55 pm

Theoretically if autobalance is on, and imbal is off, then stackers can't stack too much, since their ELO gets way high and they are either forced to join the non-stacked side or sit.

If autobalance is not on, then all of this is completely irrelevant, and HELO is meaningless.

Adept · Post by **Adept** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:08 pm

takingarms1 wrote:QUOTE (takingarms1 @ Dec 5 2007, 08:55 PM) Theoretically if autobalance is on, and imbal is off, then stackers can't stack too much, since their ELO gets way high and they are either forced to join the non-stacked side or sit.

If autobalance is not on, then all of this is completely irrelevant, and HELO is meaningless.

I guess it's hardly ever on then, or I play at the wrong times. In the specific example Mr. stacker was game owner, so obviously it wasn't on.

Anyway, thanks for the answers! Learning a little every day still.