Noobs with no number.

ImANewbie · Post by **ImANewbie** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:54 am

Malice, note that I said in time a newb will become a vet. This means becoming a vet does not happen immediately after listening to the advice of vets or taking cadet. The basic understanding of the game given by advice from a vet and cadet allows the newb to gain more experience and understanding needed to progress to a vet.

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:21 pm

ImANewbie wrote:QUOTE (ImANewbie @ Sep 21 2007, 07:54 AM) Malice, note that I said in time a newb will become a vet. This means becoming a vet does not happen immediately after listening to the advice of vets or taking cadet. The basic understanding of the game given by advice from a vet and cadet allows the newb to gain more experience and understanding needed to progress to a vet.

You misunderstood what I was trying to say.

hockey1015 · Post by **hockey1015** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:38 pm

nah, you just didn't read his original statement.

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:47 pm

In a sense, BoG has a point, in that to really be a vet, you must have your own understanding of the game, not just be able to parrot Cadet and the vets who've taught you.

On the other hand, by that logic, "Joe Einstein who just started playing this game but understands it faster than people who've been playing 7 years!!!!" is a vet, because he has his own understanding of the game. In order to really be a vet, that internal understanding of the game must conform generally to, and usually be informed by, the collective wisdom about the game, or you're just a clueless voob who thinks he or she is a vet.

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:14 pm

Terralthra wrote:QUOTE (Terralthra @ Sep 21 2007, 09:47 AM) On the other hand, by that logic, "Joe Einstein who just started playing this game but understands it faster than people who've been playing 7 years!!!!" is a vet, because he has his own understanding of the game. In order to really be a vet, that internal understanding of the game must conform generally to, and usually be informed by, the collective wisdom about the game, or you're just a clueless voob who thinks he or she is a vet.

This has nothing to do with Joe Einstein, leave him out of it.

He will gladly settle that dispute in game.

takingarms1 · Post by **takingarms1** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:25 pm

Malicious Wraith wrote:QUOTE (Malicious Wraith @ Sep 21 2007, 07:40 AM) This is when the newb becomes a voob, of varying skill.

Actually I think you have bastardized that term. When it was originally coined, it meant someone who was supposd to have enough time into the game to be a vet, but still did really stupid things as if he were a newb.

In reality everyone who's lost their newb tag generally thinks they are a vet. I don't think this is quite the case. Newb tags only last for a short time intentionally to push people into the vet server and not be coddled by the newb server (originally newb tags lasted much longer, to like level 15 instead of 5 and it took months and months to lose it). In reality, you are still very much newb after you lose your tag for anywhere from 3-6 months until you really learn the game.

After that you should generally be considered a vet, of varying skill, unless you have the stupidity disease which makes you do dumb things about which you should know better. In that case you are a voob. However, it seems most people confuse newbs without a tag with voobs, which is unfair to the newer players of the game.

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:28 pm

takingarms1 wrote:QUOTE (takingarms1 @ Sep 21 2007, 04:25 PM) Actually I think you have bastardized that term. When it was originally coined, it meant someone who was supposd to have enough time into the game to be a vet, but still did really stupid things as if he were a newb.

In reality everyone who's lost their newb tag generally thinks they are a vet. I don't think this is quite the case. Newb tags only last for a short time intentionally to push people into the vet server and not be coddled by the newb server (originally newb tags lasted much longer, to like level 15 instead of 5 and it took months and months to lose it). In reality, you are still very much newb after you lose your tag for anywhere from 3-6 months until you really learn the game.

After that you should generally be considered a vet, of varying skill, unless you have the stupidity disease which makes you do dumb things about which you should know better. In that case you are a voob. However, it seems most people confuse newbs without a tag with voobs, which is unfair to the newer players of the game.

Whatever the original coinage, I use it how it is used.

juckto · Post by **juckto** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:09 am

QUOTE Whatever the original coinage, I use it how it is used by voobs.[/quote]
fixed.

Malicious Wraith · Post by **Malicious Wraith** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:00 am

juckto wrote:QUOTE (juckto @ Sep 21 2007, 10:09 PM) fixed.

When a phrase is used by a community, it carries a connotated meaning.

I am using the definition that is most familiar to me, and what I believe is the real definition, as formed by the community, during my tenure as a player, not the denotated "Vet Club Definition".

Edit: For clarification purposes.

guitarism · Post by **guitarism** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:09 am

"vet club" are the ones that actually know what they are talking about, surprise surprise